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ACC Expansion: Pitt Wants Out For 2012, Unwilling To Pay More Than $5 Million

On the heels of the settlement between West Virginia and the Big East which will allow the Mountaineers to compete in the Big 12 next season, Pittsburgh is looking to also leave the Big East for the ACC in time for the 2012 season. Problem is Pitt AD Steve Pederson has made it clear he's not paying more than the $5 million exit fee to get the 27-month waiting period waived.

"No," Pederson said emphatically when asked Wednesday if Pitt would be willing to increase the amount of money to be able to leave the conference in time for the 2012 season."

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"The sooner everyone can get to where they are going, the better for everybody. Really, though, above everything else, we have to protect the interests of this institution."

Interestingly, the report in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette states that even if Pitt and Syracuse are able to join the ACC for the 2012 season, the ACC will still only have an eight-game league schedule. That runs contrary to the ACC's press release announcing the future scheduling format, though my guess is that this late in the game the conference doesn't want teams cancelling one of their pre-existing non-conference obligations.

In the off chance Pitt and Syracuse do play in the ACC in 2012, this turns the ACC football schedule on its head if the conference is only going to play an eight game schedule. Assuming that the league would keep the protected cross-over games, that means one of these two cross-divisional games would disappear from the 2012 sched to accommodate the additions of Pitt and Syracuse.

Here are this coming season's rotating Atlantic vs. Coastal matchups.

Boston College -- Miami, at Georgia Tech
Clemson -- Virginia Tech, at Duke
Florida State -- Duke, at Virginia Tech
Maryland -- Georgia Tech, at North Carolina
N.C. State -- Virginia, at Miami
Wake Forest -- North Carolina, at Virginia

Duke -- Clemson, at Florida State
Georgia Tech -- Boston College, at Maryland
Miami -- N.C. State, at Boston College
North Carolina -- Maryland, at Wake Forest
Virginia -- Wake Forest, at N.C. State
Virginia Tech -- Florida State, at Clemson

In order to keep the home-road split within the division at 3-3, for those teams with one less intra-divisional home game than road game would likely be awarded a home game with either Syracuse or Pitt, depending on your division, and the non-protected Atlantic-Coastal home game would be removed.

That would mean that Syracuse would have Atlantic Division home games against Florida State, N.C. State and Maryland and road games against BC, Clemson and Wake Forest. Similarly, Pitt would have intra-divisional home games against Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech and Duke and road games at North Carolina, Miami and Virginia.

Star-divide

After adding the previously scheduled cross-over games (and adding Syracuse at Pittsburgh to the sched), the ACC would then have to re-shuffle the cross-divisional matchups for the one remaining slot on the schedule.

Since BC, Clemson, Wake Forest, Miami, North Carolina and Virginia all have four home ACC games now, and the rest have three, this factors into the final pairings for the final cross-divisional game. Those six programs would have to go on the road for their final ACC game, while the remaining programs would be given home games

Here's what I come up with.

Previously scheduled matchups:

Clemson at Duke
N.C. State vs. Virginia
Boston College at Georgia Tech

Modified cross-divisional matchups:

Florida State vs. Pitt
Wake Forest at Virginia Tech
Maryland vs. North Carolina
Syracuse vs. Miami

For BC, the difference between schedules is replacing a home game against Miami with a home game against Syracuse. For other Atlantic Division programs, the difference could be even greater, e.g. Clemson replacing a home game with Virginia Tech with a home game with Syracuse.

At this point, given the scheduling difficulties this would cause both the ACC and the Big East, I think it's a long-shot that both Pitt and Syracuse will be competing in the conference in 2012. But in the unlikely chance the Panthers and Orange are in the ACC next season, this could have a dramatic impact on the 2012 football schedule and the divisional races.

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Providence Extortion

looks like the BE power in Providence, got an extra $15,000,000 out of WVU.

The Charleston (W.Va.) Daily Mail, citing an anonymous source, reported that a settlement of the competing lawsuits over WVU’s plan to join the Big 12 includes terms for the Big East to receive $20 million from the conditional deal. WVU would contribute $11 million, with the Big 12 covering the remaining amount.

Good Pitt is refusing.

by eagleosprey on Feb 10, 2012 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

Pitt has a point

WVU is gone now so the BE is no longer the real deal BE?

Cuse too?

by BCEagle74 on Feb 10, 2012 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

WVU has a claim Pitt/Cuse don't

The reason WVU was able to negotiate a release is because of the departures of Pitt and Syracuse. Once they were out the door and TCU left as a result, WVU was able to make a case that the Big East failed to maintain the conference and hold up their end of the bargain (ya know, not letting the conference fall apart). That’s why they took it to court.

Since Pitt and Cuse started this whole kerfuffle, they can’t make the same claim. Don’t expect to see either of them in 2012.

by Skeezor on Feb 10, 2012 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

Sure they can ...

Pitt and Syracuse can point to the Big East’s failure to keep TCU around … at all … as proof the Big East “failed to maintain the conference and hold up their end of the bargain.”

Pitt had to buy their way out of a game with UCF to accommodate TCU joining in 2012, and now they don’t have either game on the 2012 sched since Marinatto let TCU walk without any commitment.

Pitt could easily argue the Big East scheduling difficulties they are left with due to the departure of TCU (and now WVU) make playing in the Big East in 2012 unworkable.

by Brian Favat on Feb 10, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

They brought it on themselves

That’s the Big East’s counterpoint. Sure, scheduling in 2012 is a fiasco, but Pitt and Syracuse caused that. The Big East can easily argue that the league was going to be stronger by adding TCU and signing a new TV contract but Pitt and Syracuse leaving destroyed that stability. Once TCU jumped ship WVU became an innocent bystander. They had to leave because they had an opportunity (the Big 12) that wouldn’t be there once the Big East figured out who the other league members would be.

The other issue is the Big 12 has a lot more at stake. Their TV contract becomes void if they don’t have a minimum number of league members next year. In the interest of not wanting to totally alienate another conference (and make some $$$), it makes sense for the Big East to work out a deal to let WVU walk early. The ACC doesn’t need more members at the moment.

I would love for Pitt and Syracuse to be in the ACC tomorrow, but they fired the first bullet. It’s going to take a lot to get them out of their commitment. I don’t agree with the Big East’s argument, but it exists.

As an aside, the Big East should have never had the 27 month waiting period in the first place. All it does is lead to staring contests. They can’t let them out early because it sets a bad precedent, no one wants them in the league. Making a team wait two years to leave doesn’t make your league stronger in any way.

by Skeezor on Feb 10, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying it would hold up, but you can make the case. And as we can see from the WVU fiasco, everyone has a price.

The longer the Big East holds onto Pitt and Syracuse, the further those two programs are going to slip and the longer it’s going to take to rebuild those two programs.

by Brian Favat on Feb 10, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Skeezer..........................

Oh ya? But it keeps it together. What is THE BIG EAST supposed to do about scheduling? They are getting screwed by the Big 12 and the little aCc. Scheduling and t.v. rights are the reasons for the 27 months. Come on, if the waiting period was a year, teams wanting to leave wouldn’t wait either.

Thanks West Virginia!!!!!!, Everything West Virginia has they can thank THE BIG EAST for. Take all your trophies and your musket and GO HOME. i hope you get your ass kicked in the Big 12.

by foreverwhalerfan on Feb 11, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

West Virginia Misses Old 74 here in Fort Worth!

They paid 20 ver, veryy large to make me some squirrel and dumplings!

TCU vs. WVU —

Speed vs. Speed.

by BCEagle74 on Feb 10, 2012 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

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