Would You Rather Be Clemson'd Or Not? And The Big Finish
by Brian Favat on Jan 8, 2012 8:00 AM EST
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Jeff: After Wednesday night's debacle of an Orange Bowl, would you want to see Boston College in the same position as Clemson? I can't imagine being a fan as passionate as you and I are, and watching our team get destroyed in a game they were favored and at the end of an extremely successful season without injuries or any other obvious excuse. Watching Clemson go down in flames in the matter of one quarter in a game that fans had been looking forward to was just painful and I had little to nothing invested in Clemson's success.
If BC were to make the Orange Bowl some year I would of course attend and have very high hopes. So, if we had a crystal ball and knew that BC would lose to a Big East team by 37, would you rather BC lose the ACC Championship Game? Or would you rather BC win the ACC at the expense of getting completely embarrassed in their BCS game?
Brian: Is this seriously a question?
If the goal of the program year in and year out is to win an ACC title and play in the Orange Bowl, than this isn't even a question. Of course I'd want the Eagles to still win the ACC title, even if the program proceeded to get waxed in the Orange Bowl. Even against a (non-UConn) Big East opponent, though can't West Virginia technically be considered a Big 12 opponent now?
The final outcome of bowl games have little to no bearing on much of anything. All but one of the bowl games doesn't count towards crowning the sport's eventual National Champion. A majority of bowl games participants have no bearing on the final AP or Coaches Poll rankings. Really, the only thing a bowl game counts for is a W or an L on the team's final season record.
And really, could any other ACC program hold a BC Orange Bowl thrashing against them? This would simply be consistent with all the other ACC BCS bowl failures over the years. Florida State is 1-5 in BCS bowl games and 0-3 in the Orange Bowl. Virginia Tech is 1-4 and 0-3 in the Sugar Bowl. Miami is 3-1 but hasn't even made a BCS bowl game appearance as a member of the ACC. Maryland, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech and now Clemson all 0-1.
Getting throttled and losing the program's first BCS bowl game would be the most ACC thing the Eagles have done since joining the conference in 2005.
Big Finish
Brian: Billy Flutie delivered a little more Flutie magic when he saved a choking patron using the Heimlich Maneuver. Flutie, however, wants to keep the event low-key. You impressed?
Jeff: This type of thing happens in restaurants regularly. Hopefully that Applebees, which does Like us on Facebook by the way, comped his meal and will again in the future.
Jeff: Lots of former Boston College players in today's Giants-Falcons NFC Wildcard Playoff game. Are you happy no matter the outcome of the game?
Brian: No. I'll be happier with a Giants victory, though the Falcons keeping it close would probably be the best outcome for me, personally.
Brian: ESPN's Robbi Pickeral profiled BC's Matt Humphrey in advance of yesterday's BC-Carolina game. Any chance this affected his performance and helped lead to his 14 points?
Jeff: Hopefully Humphrey continues to be a solid contributor in league play. He is the only indivdual disappointment on the team so far since we knew nothing about anyone else.
Jeff: The men's basketball is winless in 2012, does the men's ice hockey team at least give us a win today?
Brian: Yes. I like the Eagles chances at home today against Merrimack. No more "sleepy hockey" from the Eagles.
Brian: The ACC closes out its fifth consecutive year with a losing bowl record, going just 2-6. Do you expect the conference to turn things around next season?
Jeff: Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech could have won their games. If the league had not gotten tow BCS bids it also could have been better. It feels like we're close as a league.
Jeff: There were rumors that Bill O'Brien would have been a candidate for the BC job had it opened up at the end of this season. Do you think the fact that he is now Penn State's coach confirms those rumors and are you disappointed he wasn't in maroon and gold before PSU had the chance?
Brian: Not overly impressed with the Penn State hire, though I am a bit bummed Pitt scooped up Paul Chryst.
Brian: Last one. Were you surprised the Eagles were only down 13 at the half of yesterday's Boston College-Carolina game?
Jeff: Yes, I was pleasantly surprised it was somewhat a game for a while. We've looked worse against opponents not nearly on UNC's level.
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THIS IS THE YEARLY GOAL AND VISION
Big Boy Bowl Record:
01-01-1940 BC 3 Clemson (SC) 6 Cotton Bowl
01-01-1941 BC 19 Tennessee 13 Sugar Bowl
01-01-1943 BC 21 Alabama 37 Orange Bowl
01-01-1985 BC 45 Houston (TX) 28 Cotton Bowl
The Greatest Generation knew how to be intense, be tough and win big ballgames and hire a Head Coach.
Doug Flutie came close to winning all 12 in 1985, but even Doug Flutie knew. Even before the PASS TO PHELAN, he nodded his head on the sideline and knew what he had to do.
Boston College is run by lazy, inept, left wing radical extremists on the Board and Father Leahy who wants to make BC Football irrelevant and could care less about the donations, Flynn fund, DBSeating, the howls of the alumni, and the financial windfall of the Doug Flutie’s and the explosion of pride of Eagle Nation in 1985.
BC has squandered and let the greatest parcel of land in the most spectacular setting in Boston, or St. John’s land go to utter waste!
BC is run by LOSERS! The lack of a great VISION for the greatest University in the Galaxy was clear in that immature and juvenile BC 50 year strategic plan and the now deterioration of BC’s sports facilities and outlook on it’s high profile revenue generating glamour sport of Football.
Football is a billion dollar business and BC with it’s idiotic tailgating and approach is so little league that the Carroll SOM should be renamed something I can’t type here.
Many people saw this when that mumbling loser Spazoo was hired and it was a monumental disaster.
Now, BC’s arrogant Jesuits are reaping what they sowed and the Football recruiting and talent coming to BC is not what it should or could be.
When the face of the University for 5 months of the year is a mumbling clown like Frank Spaziani, and your arrogant “Video Star” is an incompetent, meddling AD like Gene DeFilippo, or COACH FLIP, (really?) — and he hired Spazoo after a sham job search….and then destroyed our Football program with a mind boggling 2 year extension for the inept sideline calzone….then…
Well this last season, and the future….expect more of the same until we get incredibly lucky and hire a new AD, a recruiting dynamic Football Coach who can bring back the 1940’s glory.
I do not see that happening.
Maybe never with the present Trustees and Jesuit LOSERS!
Think I am wrong?
Go check the last 4 recruiting classes and the present list. You need TALENT. Talent reigns supreme.
Do you see any high end football HS stars coming to BC, or has word gotten out around the BC recruiting zones that BC ain’t what it should be, the coaching staff is a disaster -- and don’t ever forget in this instant social media world…. the parents of these high school stars talk and so do the kids.
Word is out Eagle Nation.
Spazoo is not qualified and BC Football needs a nuclear enema.
Start the Spazoo Excuse Train.. ALLL ABOARD!
yikes!
Left winged Jesuits?! I though those were a rare breed.
Les Miles tonight
“I’d expect it to be big-boy football,” Miles said Sunday during his time on podium.
Stop the presses!
I’m shocked anyone is even talking about the Clemson loss. Seriously…someone at Clemson has some major clout with the media. That was a major major loss on many levels. Anyway…to chime in on your inquiry…BC should just concentrate on getting to the Orange Bowl and that in itself would be a major win. It will happen…just not under Spaz or GDF. In my opinion, BC harbors an obvious position when it comes to football which is win enough games to pay the bills. That does not jive with “Ever to Excel”! The kids want to win and more needs to be done to help them.
U never shown any respect for UConn
So now why pretend the Clemson loss is ok on any level. It too was an embarrassment and beat down
It was worse actually. It exposed the teams as quitters. Who were not mentally or physically tough. A team, a program lacking character.
It would have been better for Clemson to have never gone.
by eagleosprey on Jan 8, 2012 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This makes zero sense ...
… though I’m not surprised, letting your hatred (“or lack of respect” / waterwater euphemism) for Clemson cloud your better judgment.
The difference between Clemson and UConn is that Clemson (and BC) has to win a conference championship game to make the BCS. To suggest that as a Clemson (or BC fan) that you’d root against your team in a conference championship game with some miraculous future knowledge that the program was being led to the slaughter in their BCS bowl game is asinine.
Getting to a big boy bowl game is always the goal for the program, regardless of the end result.
Editor, BC Interruption
I don't see
why having to play in a championship or just outright beat the other folks in your conference amounts to giving respect for making a bcs bowl game. A championship is in essence just another conference game regardless of the hype. LSU and Alabama are in the same conference and division and that didn’t stop them from playing for the national title.
I haven’t completely wrapped my mind around that Orange Bowl fiasco, but it was quite the embarassment not only for Clemson, but for a conference that has not been been shy in regards to making it known that they are leaps ahead of Big East Football. Losing by almost 40 makes me think they were referring mostly to the amount of cash they rake in as opposed to coaching, talent or at the very least, workmanship and character.
Obviously, it’s quite okay to question why a team would be in a BCS bowl game. And it’s obvious that many teams orchestrate their schedules to make a run at these bowl games. So whether or not one might feel that a Uconn benefited from playing in an inferior conference, in my opinion, they deserve no less repect than a Virginia tech who scheduled their way into a bowl ahead of a team like Boise State.
I hope the BCS bowl nonsense is on it’s way out. Besides…there are too many bowls hosting 6 win teams…not to mention they run over the course of a month. Find another way to make money other than displaying mediocre football games.
Didn’t West Virginia want to get into the ACC?
the point
you have consistently showns contempt and disrespect for UConn’s accomplishment of appearing in a BCS bowl. You called it an “embarrassment” and a “beat down.” In other words, you refused to give UConn proper credit for achieving the goal of being a BCS team.
But now you want us to bow to Clemson for being a BCS team. Sure, getting to the BCS is a great accomplishment for Clemson (and UConn too). No one is taking that away from Clemson. But what I am saying — which is also being said by a zillion other people, including the nuts on Shakin’ the Southland — is that Clemson humiliated itself in the game by not preparing correctly, quitting mid-game and generally showing a complete lack of mental toughness, physical toughness and character. Yes, the BCS feather is nice to get, but the humuliation on National TV is not something any school would want, or would want to live with — as Klempson must now do for years.
Also bblaqus is right: Clemson and UConn are no different in seeking and obtaining a BCS berth.
So my point was not assine and not fueled by hatred or any of the other BULLSHIT you tossed out.
How am I asking you to bow down before Clemson?
This post has nothing to do with neither Clemson nor UConn, but because Eight Ball touched you as a child (or because STS gave waterwater the banhammer) you continue to bring this back to Clemson.
The question is as a fan, you’d rather see BC lose the ACC if you knew they were going to get waxed in the BCS. Has nothing to do with UConn. Has nothing to do with Clemson …
Editor, BC Interruption
This post has nothing to do with neither Clemson
Really? I think you should re-read your post.
Also, no need to keep making personal digs and w/w comment. just stick to the merits.
After Wednesday night’s debacle of an Orange Bowl, would you want to see Boston College in the same position as Clemson? I can’t imagine being a fan as passionate as you and I are, and watching our team get destroyed in a game they were favored and at the end of an extremely successful season without injuries or any other obvious excuse. Watching
Clemsongo down in flames in the matter of one quarter in a game that fans had been looking forward to was just painful and I had little to nothing invested in Clemson’s success
“Would you want to see BC in the same position as Clemson?”
It’s about BC, not Clemson. I liked waterwater better …
Editor, BC Interruption
West Virginia FAIL
That sign has the LSU tiger on it, which beat WVU handedly earlier this year. Couch burners aren’t too bright now, are they?
Editor, BC Interruption
by Brian Favat on Jan 8, 2012 11:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Lose the ACC championship so we can be the Champs Sports Bowl Champions?
Win the ACC and get waxed in the Orange Bowl?
Hmm… I like the sound of ACC Champs more than Champ Sports, Belk, Sun, etc Bowl Champs.
by hoyaeagle on Jan 8, 2012 7:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Jerry York and his Magnificient Championship Character
Sitting right down the hallway?
Why has GDF never asked him for program guidance and advice?
Every year to prepare for the NCAA Frozen Four Tournament, York schedules the best and toughest western teams on the road and plays his talented freshman and puts them on the pond to see if they have what it takes.
Sadly, Jerry York’s office must be off limits to the GREAT VIDEO ONE Gene DeFilippo!
Is there an invisible fence at Yawkey?
Is there some electric shock laser beam?
How do you sit in the same building with a GENIUS for years and years …a BC GUY with class and humble dignity… and then have a childish temper and fire a solid Head Coach in Jags ……..and then conduct a sham job search and hire the same mediocre defensive coordinator idiot you passed two years before!!……. then hire that stooge for 5 long years…….and then after he proves to be the same “Can’t consistently beat a Top Team Loser”, ……then you give him a extra two years to infuriate the fans who you say, “What we think doesn’t matter and Spazoo is the best Coach in 15 Years?”
Stony Brook?
Maine?
Yup, that will toughen up BC’s image and get top notch high school skilled players to come to BC!!
Can you smell the Oranges Eagle Nation?
I can, but only when I go to the supermarket.
$1.5 BILLION Endowment and St. John's Land
All these years and no VISION for making BC great?
What a waste of the best piece of real estate in America and BC is $$$$$ loaded!!
This shows how weak and lame BC’s leaders and alums are in Boston where we can’t get anything done like otehr schools and even with a BC alum as mayor of Newton, BC allows itself to be dominated and smacked around like lackies for decades.
I would use the TCU neighborhood renovation as an example, but BC is so embarrassing now that it would be too humiliating.
TCU is building a state-of-the art jewel in the same type of hood and you don’t here one complaint, all you get is PRAISE and THANKS!
BC schedules a Thursday Night game every few years and we have to get a special dispensation from our punk Newton overlords.
BC needs a new leader and Board of Trustees ASAP!
Not some weakling President who allowed a protest inside Alumni when Condo Rice spoke and even decided to met with the left wing radical punks on the faculty and students —IN HIS OFFICE!!— to decide what type of protest would be allowed?
Really? DISGRACE!
It was a time in US politics where maybe a great speech might had been made on US policy and we have a limp BC President who bent over for a bunch of snot nosed protesting punks.
These are the people who runs BC now.
This is why BC Football is Colonial Conference recruiting now and we have a athletic Director who mouths off and Coaching Staff with its 4th Offensive Coordinator in 4 years and a former OC in Kevin Rogers who was treated so shabbily.
The worse is yet to come.
The question is(or should be) would you rather be Clemson'd or BC'd?
Give us all a break! Clemson has clearly shown that they can compete in the ACC as well as the SEC. They dominate the 100+ yr rivalry with the Gamecocks and derailed the defending national champs from Auburn, as well as the defending ACC champs. The Eagles need to follow suit, not criticize those who have led the way to PROGRESS.
Despite their embarrassing loss to the eagles last season (an obvious aberration), the Clemson Tigers made the ACC championship look easy the following season… that’s progress and that’s why all the press coverage.
The fact is that BC has clearly shown that not only can they NOT compete in the ACC, but they may not even be able to compete in the Big East (even with Luke Kuechly). Until The eagles prove they have what it takes to survive/succeed in division 1-A football, they need to watch and learn from those who are on the right path. Unfortunately the eagles will never see a BCS bowl game or national title as they are clearly underachievers. Lame attempts to discredit those who have put in the effort to succeed will only accelerate the BC decline.
Clemson football has shown they can take the pain and continue to rise to the top… they’re not done yet.
troll in eagle feathers
Despite their embarrassing loss to the eagles last season (an obvious aberration),
BC has beaten your rat-dog Clemson many times and will again, many times
That was a pretty lame (you pulled a “klempson”! ) attempt to pretend you are an Eagle.
ha!
Wash your spectacles
Where you see a troll in eagle feathers the rest of NCAA football sees the truth… And it’s embarrassing. My point is that our efforts to hide behind gay jabs at “Klempson” and our own coaching staff will only make us look that much more desperate and pathetic… not something I wish to be part of, we need to show more maturity.
My recollection is that prior to game day last season it looked like “Klempson” was going to start plucking feathers from the opening kickoff, just like this season… They beat themselves in 2010 and everyone knew it… Never should have happened. But it did, and that’s what it took to open our eyes and put in some effort to save our asses from a result like this season.
If your going to try to convince me(or anyone) that our coaching following the 2010 Gift from the Tigers was somehow more competent than prior to that game, go right ahead… You’re wasting your breath. Next we’ll be critisizing
by eaglefanatic2 on Jan 10, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
… criticizing the LSU Tigers program for their blowout loss to to Bama 20 minutes ago… that would be downright idiotic, wouldn’t you agree?
We’re at where we’re at not because of deficient coaching or administration, but because our collective attitudes support this result…. Sucks to suck.
With Kuechly gone and no promising recruits on the horizon it looks like we’d better get used to it. Clemson Tigers will not worry about BC, they have more constructive goals in mind.
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