A response to BC fans who think firing Skinner was the wrong decision
It's time for my rant against people who think firing Skinner was the wrong decision.
First of all, Reggie Jackson and Biko Paris would have never been the players they were if it weren't for Donahue and his system. And don't you dare say both those players were good fits for the flex.
I agree Donahue is not as good a recruiter as Skinner. But remember this....AT LEAST HE DIDN'T HAVE A CLASS THAT HAD NOBODY SIGNED OR COMMITTED! I don't care if it's his second year. 2 out of 2 years he is bringing in players. And he also got Danny Rubin, who contributed for half a season, and Gabe Moton, who is not great but isn't the worst 45 grade on ESPN I've ever seen, in about a week.
Also, Donahue is working a lot harder at recruiting than Skinner did. Bob Ryan said it best, "Skinner assistants like Bill Coen and Ed Cooley got all his players. When they left, Skinner didn't work his but off and find assistants like that or get on the recruiting trail himself." Don't get me wrong, Brady Heslip is tearing it up at Baylor. But remember he lost 25 pounds before he was game-ready. And what has Kevin Noreen or Papa Samba Ndao done? Nothing. Donahue is always mentioned with guys in later classes, which Skinner never did. This strategy can pay off if a Wayne Selden or a Noah Volneh-esque player pulls a Chris Herren and says, "Hey, I want to stay local and be a star at BC."
And to that response that Donahue ran Heslip off, remember Marquez Haynes? He could have been part of that 2009-2010 team. He had worlds of potential. Remember Shamari Spears? Don't get me wrong, the legal trouble with him was bad, but he was tearing it up at Charlotte. He also had a ton of potential. Daye Kaba and Johnnie Jackson were 4-star recruits that Skinner ran off. I was furious at Skinner for not playing those 2 more.
Donahue is always working his ass off. I see it on TV or at the game. He is always up and encouraging players. Those offensive sets against URI were not bad. I was often frustrated with Skinner in the 2009-2010 season, when he didn't yell at the team or call timeouts to wake them up. That team could've been much better had they woken up. Believe me, I saw the embarrassing Maine loss that year. That team was just asleep. For games like the win over Clemson they woke up and played to their potential.
And even if this team loses a ton more games, they can learn from it and come back stronger over the passing years. That's my mentality, and BC fans, I think it should be yours.
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Those offensive sets against URI were not bad.
Yes they were.
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AT LEAST HE DIDN'T HAVE A CLASS THAT HAD NOBODY SIGNED OR COMMITTED!
Great post RimShot!
You had most BC Hoops fans at the word…. AT!
Al Skinner was in real life a recruiting “Lazy Elvis the Barcolounger!”
Hurley Senior said it best in the NYT and so did Woody Allen in his stand up comedian act..
Hurley: (Paraphrasing) - "Skinner was like Elvis and never showing up in the building to speak or recruit kids!’
That was simply damning!
Like Woody said, "90% of working is just showing up?’
Al Skinner was paid millions and recruited by Conte Phone leaning back in the reclining barcolounger.
Al did end up as the BC Rec Plex’s all-time leading lunchtime scorer and rebounder!
Maybe we should put up a plaque next to the best line in RIM MAN’s post…
0 for a recruiting year?
My Boston College?
Really?
is it the snow? Food? The girls are rich enough today?
30,000 Apps and all the latest buildings and plush stuff now at BC and in Boston???
Please!!
The mistake was the same fatl error as GDF giving Spazoo 5 years and then a mind boggling 2 years extension - GDF gave Skinner an extension and Lazy Elvis promptly retired!
At least the two Skinner assistants who did most of the heavy lifting landed nice jobs!
Just some tweets describing Noreen
J_Millaa127 Jaime Miller
Why did wvu even recruit Kevin Noreen
Tanner_Colley2 Tanner Colley
Kevin noreen is so bad
MTNEER4LIFE Ryan Fortney
Best thing Kevin Noreen has done all season?…. taking that timeout
Tres_balls Andrew Little
Why does Kevin Noreen play over Dominique Rutledge? Atleast Rutledge can score. #WVU
jcarp_89 joe carper
Kevin noreen = the human practice dummy
Sounds like he really sucks. Stats are 2.9 PPG and 2.6 RPG in 12.9 minutes. Good job Skinner!
by EagleAboveTheRim on Jan 4, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Glad to see we are using rando on Twitter named @tres_balls to evaluate player talent.
Editor, BC Interruption
Planting the seed in the media that a coach quit recruiting to justify firing a successful HC. Sounds familiar …
Editor, BC Interruption
Boston College fired its most successful basketball coach in order to interview the head coaches at Cornell, Fairfield, and Northeastern.
Al Skinner went 247-165 at Boston College. The year before he was fired he went to 22-12, had a winning record in the ACC, and made the tournament. Steve Donahue went 146-138 at Cornell with a 78-62 record in the Ivy League.
And you’re convinced DeFilippo made the right choice in firing Skinner?
The reasons given in the article: Jackson and Paris wouldn’t have performed as well under Skinner, Donahue works harder at recruiting, and Donahue is active on the sideline during games.
I think Jackson and Sanders would have had excellent seasons under Skinner last year. Jackson was such a talented player that he would fit in any system at the college level. I give Donahue and his system a lot of credit for during Paris into a major contributor, but I don’t think we were better off with Paris and Jackson under Donahue’s system than Sanders and Jackson under Skinner’s.
Donahue works hard at recruiting, and that is great. I hope it starts paying off. I don’t care how hard Skinner worked at recruiting, the program brought in recruits who developed into stars. Skinner and his staff deserve credit for finding overlooked talent and developing those players.
Donahue is active on the sideline and Skinner was not, but those are just different coaching styles. A laid-back in-game coach is not the same as a lazy coach.
There were reasons to fire Skinner. He had only made the tournament once in his last three years. At the same time, Donahue’s stock was rising from making the tournament three years in a row.
But, I would have given Skinner another year to right the ship. I think last year’s team would have been tournament bound under Skinner.
I wasn’t opposed to the Skinner firing, but I was torn about it then and I’m torn about it now.
I hope the team improves under Donahue. I think he deserves four years to turn BC back into a tournament team. If he gets the right players, I think he can create a successful and exciting team.
by PercDM on Jan 5, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
The problem as I see it was Gene for whatever reason wanted Skinner gone. He’s no fool. He knew that if he was ever able to make a change, the time was right to pull the trigger after the 2009-10 season.
Skinner’s 2010-11 team most likely would have made the NCAAs that year with Rakim Sanders. Then, GDF wouldn’t have had any grounds to pull the trigger coming off an NCAA Tournament year.
Gene fires Skinner and trumps up some bogus charge that Skinner mailed it in the last few seasons — damaging Skinner’s ability to get another job — and hires Donahue. I guess GDF just wanted to leave his mark on the basketball program, too. But that’s no way to treat the school’s all-time leader for wins, a coach that won the Big East and came within a bucket of topping the Duke/Carolina ACC duopoly.
It’s become increasingly clear that the players Skinner recruited over the last few seasons can contribute (Ravenel, Sanders, Heslip, Noreen, Ndao, etc.). But because Gene decided to blow up BC basketball when he did — to leave his mark on the program — Donahue was left with nothing and had to start from scratch.
It didn’t have to be like this. Gene and Al probably could have come to some agreement that would have allowed Skinner to coach 1-2 more seasons and allow for a smoother transition to the next BC coach, e.g. not scaring off an entire year’s recruiting class, retaining Sanders, Ravenel and others. But now we are left with a non-competitive hoops team that will take years to be built back up to the levels that Skinner had us at when we first joined the ACC. That’s on DeFilippo.
I don’t fault Donahue for this, but the reasons why firing Skinner cited in this post are highly suspect.
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The problem for Donahue...
Was his success w Cornell. Clearly the expectation was ‘just wait until this guy has some REAL talent’. The reason Cornell was so good (like other mid-majors) is that they had upperclassmen on the squad. Unfortunately, that means Donahue deserves 2 more years to make real progress. However, this is the ACC and he should be able to recruit higher caliber players thst are competitive right away. Although the Cornell story was adorable for the average middle-aged white guy on the couch, I’m not so sure it reasonates with many McDonald All-Americans.
by grebek on Jan 6, 2012 4:23 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Donahue’s best team was his Sweet 16 Big Red team which was filled with seniors, but he also won the Ivy League three years running. Agree that the upperclassmen had a lot to do with the Sweet 16 run but he was having success at Cornell before Foote and that group of players became seniors.
Still, I’m not sure how well this translates to the ACC.
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Where to begin
Lots I disagree with here.
1). The offensive sets in the URI game were awful in the second half. I’ve never seen a coach move away from plays (screen and rolls) that work to plays that don’t (penetrate and kick to the corner). Awful coaching job on Monday. Also these kids can’t rebound or he’s not coaching it (my guess is the latter).
2). Daye Kaba and Johnnie Jackson were three star recruits, not four star. Neither wound up doing much after leaving BC. Kaba averaged 8 points a game for Marist after transferring from BC. Jackson would have been playing over Sean Marshall, Louis Hinnant or Dudley. Shamari Spears, good riddance. What a horrible attitude he had. Sorry I think Skinner made the right decision there.
3). If Ed Cooley and Bill Coen did all the recruiting and Skinner did nothing, why not hire one of them? If this is true their recruiting records are stronger than Donahue’s? Cooley is proving this at Providence, his one recruiting class is rated significantly higher than Donahue’s.
4). Let’s get off this no one came in for 2009-2010. If they brought someone in, it would have been one person and it wouldn’t have been a good player because they had no minutes to give out at that point.
5). Again, he could have had Heslip (who wanted to stay) and lost out on Noreen. I’d take that pair over Rubin and Moton every day of the week. Rubin disappeared in ACC play (in fact I’d argue his awful defense in conference play almost cost them some games last year, it was like they were playing 4 o 5 when he was in the game).
6). I love the fact how everyone talks about what a terrible situation Donahue walked into. The situation Skinner walked into in 1997 was far far worse. O’Brien trashed BC on his way out (something Skinner didn’t do). Most pundits thought it would take years for BC to recover. Skinner won the Big East in his fourth full year. At this point I’d be shocked if this group even made the post season under Donahue in that time frame from what I’ve seen. No Troy Bell type player is coming next year.
7). Again it’s not about Skinner, it’s about whether DeFlippo made the right choice in his replacement. You still can’t tell me this was the best choice, Cooley and Chris Mooney were much better choices. Instead of comparing Donahue to Skinner, compare him to the guys who he was up against for the job.
8). Bob Ryan proved that he was a Deflippo puppet in this hilarious piece from December 2010, http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/bob_ryan_blog/2010/12/somethings_brew.html. In it Ryan writes, “I spoke with a long-time season ticket holder, a man with impeccable basketball credentials, and he said that he really hadn’t enjoyed coming to BC games for the last 10 years, even when they won.”
As someone who was a season ticket holder throughout that time period I can tell you that’s a load of BS. Better than 2000-2001? 2004-2005 20-0 start the NBA front line of 2005-2006. Give me a break. The Ryan articles were just part of the Gene PR campaign to make sure everyone supported his decision.
Succession planning
There was a better succession plan, but that probably didn’t jive with Gene’s big ego. Let Skinner coach two more seasons and then allow him to fade out into the sunset.
BC probably makes the NCAAs in 2010 under Skinner, and then Skinner would have had one more season to keep the recruiting class together (Noreen, Ndao, Heslip) as well as the transfers (Ravenel) which would have provided for a smoother transition to the next coach.
Instead, GDF childishly threw Skinner under the bus, as evidenced by the Bob Ryan article prepared with GDF talking points. Firing Skinner when he did blew up the 2009-10 recruiting class, leaving Donahue with nothing to work with.
I’m not sure if everyone has been watching the same basketball I’ve been watching, but this team is YEARS away from being competitive in the ACC. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an ACC program go from NCAA bubble to single-digit wins in a span of a year (other than maybe Georgia Tech under Hewitt with his one and dones). This team is still far, far away from being competitive.
The unfortunate part of all this is that there was a window of opportunity here for BC to permanently fix itself in the upper half of the conference. In case you haven’t noticed, the ACC is an awful, awful hoops conference this year. Georgia Tech, Miami, N.C. State and Maryland are all rebuilding with new coaches. Virginia Tech just lost a lot of talent to graduation. Clemson is bad. Wake Forest is bad. Florida State is suffering from the same Ivy League syndrome that has ailed BC over the last few years. Virginia is off to a fast start this year, but that’s a product of a weak sched and Bennett just lost an entire year’s worth of recruits to transfers.
But the window is closing. Syracuse will become ACC #3 in short order. Pitt is no slouch, and these other ACC programs in rebuilding mode will continue to improve and pass BC by (if the Eagles don’t start playing defense and working on their rebounding). It’s going to be a long, hard road back to respectability for BC hoops. Sadly, it didn’t have to be this way.
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