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Virginia Tech Sugar Bowl Loss Drops ACC Bowl Record To 2-5

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Following Virginia Tech's 23-20 loss to Michigan in last night's Sugar Bowl, the ACC dropped to 2-5 in its bowl games this season, tied for the worst mark among the top six conferences. Only the Pac-12 has matched the ACC's bowl record of futility this season, and should Clemson lose tonight, the ACC would be assured the worst bowl record of the BCS AQ conferences at just 2-6.

The only ACC teams to win their bowl games are Florida State (narrowly edging Notre Dame 18-14 in the Champs Sports Bowl) and N.C. State (a 31-24 winner over Louisville in the Belk Bowl). North Carolina was pasted by Missouri and Virginia by Auburn. Wake Forest lost by six to Mississippi State, while the Techs both lost in OT.

But as the pundits and talking heads start piling it on the ACC -- which, to be fair, has done nothing to improve its football reputation nationally this bowl season -- you can't say we didn't warn you ...

"Looking at the actual ACC bowl matchups and what could have been if VT didn't make the BCS, early take on how the conference will fare in the postseason? In other words, when talking heads start piling it on the conference for a poor bowl record, could this have been avoided if the ACC didn't get a second team into the BCS and teams were selected based more on the on-field results?"

This has been going on for quite a few years now, with ACC programs jumping other programs in the bowl pecking order based on sterling travel reputations and the promise of strong ticket sales, hotel sales and paying for items with $2 bills stamped with Tiger paws.

After the Hokies received a rather generous BCS at-large berth to the Sugar Bowl opposite Michigan, this situation was somewhat unavoidable this year. Virginia, not Virginia Tech, was picked for the Peach Bowl, Florida State for the Champs Sports Bowl, and so on down the line. But ACC fans bemoaning the conference's current 2-5 record in bowl games can be left to second-guess what could have been had the Sugar not snared Virginia Tech.

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Conventional wisdom going into this bowl season was that Virginia would be overmatched by Auburn in the Peach Bowl. I mean, how many confidence points did you load up on in this year's Peach Bowl, right? But what if the Hokies, and not the Cavaliers, had faced Auburn in Atlanta? Could the ACC have turned a L into a W? Doesn't seem all that far-fetched, considering Virginia Tech waxed that very same Virginia team 38-0 in the regular season finale.

The Champs Sports Bowl seemed fairly determined to pair Florida State against Notre Dame, so we'll leave that matchup alone. How about Virginia over Utah in the Sun Bowl? And Georgia Tech over Louisville in the Belk Bowl? And N.C. State over Mississippi State in the Music City Bowl?

Any ACC opponent would probably get pasted against Missouri in the Independence Bowl because, of course, the Tigers were given the business by the Big 12 and placed in a bowl game without any conference tie-in ... over four schools that Missouri defeated during the year.

Finally, might the Heels have been able to pick up a win in the Military Bowl against either Air Force or Toledo, instead of losing big to Missouri in the Independence Bowl?

Plenty of what ifs, but if the ACC was given the chance to place its bowl-bound teams in the conference's bowl games based more on-field results, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that the conference's 2-5 record to date could have been 6-1.

You can perform a similar exercise on any of the ACC's other bowl seasons, e.g. 2005 when BC was shipped off to Boise despite winning a share of the Atlantic Division title or 2007 when BC and Matt Ryan were passed over by the Peach Bowl. We'll never know for sure of course, but my guess is that the ACC's bowl record over the last few years would improve, and dramatically so, if teams were picked based more on on-field factors instead of off-field ones.

So as you cringe when you hear all about the ACC's 2-5 record in bowl games -- and god forbid Clemson lose tonight in the Orange Bowl -- you have the Sugar Bowl selection committee to thank. The Sugar Bowl just haaad to have a team from the South, right?

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Hockey at Fenway moved to 4 PM! Huge for Patriots fans.

by Erik00 on Jan 4, 2012 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

Still have no idea how Michigan won that game… Tech dominated. Stupid penalties, bad coaching decisions, and a blown call in OT I guess. Major letdown for the ACC.

by hoyaeagle on Jan 4, 2012 3:48 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

At least we know that

Clemson is going to run train on WVU.

by Grant Salzano on Jan 4, 2012 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

Nope, they’re pulling a Clemson.

by hoyaeagle on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

At least we know that

WVU is running a train on Clemson….hope you don’t make a living making predictions.

by BCMikeL on Jan 5, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take the $

BC gets more $ because the ACC has 2 teams in the BCS this year. If the result is that the ACC posts a worse record in bowls overall, I’ll take it. Who cares who wins the Advocare V100 Independence Bowl anyway?

by footb on Jan 4, 2012 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

Regardless of who they're matched up with

The ACC will have a reputation of being a mediocre football conference until it consistently wins its out-of-conference games (bowl games and regular season games). Unfortunately it’s a well deserved reputation.

Clemson had a chance to shine, and instead got stomped. VT got a bit hosed by the reversed TD call, but still should have won (as should have GT). Sad year for ACC football.

I’m an ACC homer – I’ll (almost always) root for any ACC team against any non-ACC team. Maryland seems to be reorganizing itself now (bringing back Locksley, one of the best football recruiters in the MD-DC-VA area). Hopefully BC can do the same sometime soon.

I am glad that the schools get a bit of a $$ boost because of the two BCS bids, but long-term I’d rather have the ACC having winning bowl records each year (and/or playoff records if/when that happens).

Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.
Recommended reading: Death to the BCS

by mdak06 on Jan 5, 2012 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

ACC in BCS Bowls

I agree that if the ACC only had one team in a BCS bowl, the conference’s record might be better. But it’s not like VT faced a truly worthy BCS team. Michigan was at best the third best Big 10(11)(12) team, and ranked lower than VT. VT should have won, but made too many mistakes and dumb calls to pull it out.

It was just another bad year for the ACC. And after watching Clemson last night, you can add a few more bads to that.

by Johnecab on Jan 5, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Been a bad FIVE years for the ACC. Five year run-rate in bowls is 15 up, 27 down. 1-5 in BCS bowls.

by Brian Favat on Jan 5, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

ACC bowl record last five seasons

2011: 2-6
2010: 4-5
2009: 3-4
2008: 4-6
2007: 2-6

Last broke even in 2006. 4-4.

by Brian Favat on Jan 5, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Your argument about a second team in the BCS knocking everyone else up a spot and thus negatively impacting the conference’s overall bowl record would hold a lot more water if the ACC actually had good overall bowl records in the years in which there was only one BCS representative.

by footb on Jan 5, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

easier to win 4 games when there are nine games overall (2010) or ten games overall (2008), as opposed to only eight games overall (2007, 2011)

Either way, the difference is negligible. If ACC had a winning record in bowls every year, but then drastically dropped off this year, you’d have me convinced. But that’s not the case.

by footb on Jan 5, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

See below

2007 was when BC slid all the way to the Champs Sports Bowl despite finishing as the ACCCG runner-up and beating Clemson (selected by the Peach) and pissing off the Gator bowl folk and getting passed over by 9-4 Virginia for the Gator Bowl.

The net impact to the ACC bowl games was the same as it was this year.

In 2007, slot BC into the Peach, Clemson into the Gator and Virginia into the Champs Sports, the ACC very well could have gone 3-0 instead of 1-2.

In 2011, slot VT into the Peach, FSU into the Champs Sports and move everyone else down a slot, I’m positive the conference would have done better than 2-6.

In both cases, bowls selecting undeserving teams shook up the ACC bowl pecking order at the top, and the conference was rewarded with a .250 winning percentage in bowl games.

by Brian Favat on Jan 5, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand your point

Guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I understand your point, but I find it ultimately irrelevant. The ACC simply sucks at bowl games, year in and year out. That’s the problem.

by footb on Jan 5, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d also point to the Pac-12’s record (2-5) and the Big Ten’s record (4-6) as other examples this season. All three conferences got a second team into the BCS this year, meaning the non-BCS teams were playing in a bowl game higher than they should have been.

The fact that the ACC trotted out Virginia to play in the ACC no. 2 bowl was a joke this year. The Cavs lost to So. Miss and struggled to put away Indiana and Idaho. Lost to N.C. State by two scores. UVa wasn’t even the 5th or 6th best program in the conference this year, behind Clemson, Virginia Tech, Florida State*, Georgia Tech*, North Carolina and maybe even N.C. State.

Like you said, we can agree to disagree, but when the bowl selection order gets disrupted by either a BCS at-large or when a bowl selects an undeserving team, the conference’s overall bowl record is bound to take a hit.

* qualitative, and admittedly ignores head-to-head results

by Brian Favat on Jan 5, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

2007-08

Last time the ACC went 2-6 in bowl games … 2007-08.

Same year Peach Bowl picked Clemson over BC, reshuffling the ACC bowl pecking order and sending teams to bowls where they shouldn’t have been.

by Brian Favat on Jan 5, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

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