Conference Realignment: Big East Isn't Afraid To Dream Even Bigger And Less Eastern
I've gotta say it's been almost impossible to keep up with all the conference expansion and realignment rumors this week, as they've been all over the place. As soon as I publish this post, I'm sure there will be five more rumors circulating about program XX to conference YY, and other such nonsense. (Note: if someone tells you they know how this whole thing is going to shake out, they are straight up lying).
That said, I won't rehash what's going on with Texas A&M, the SEC, Big 12 and Pac-whatever. Instead, I'll leave that to the SB Nation StoryStream on Texas A&M's exit from the Big 12 and conference expansion-palooza 2k11. Here is the Cliff's Notes version:
The SEC was ready to accept the Aggies as the conference's thirteenth member, but the Baylor went ahead and did this:
While it's fun to poke fun at little Baylor and their Dick Blumenthal / UConn-like move, after the Bears drew a line in the sand, every other school in the Big 12 except for A&M and Oklahoma joined in the chorus of those refusing to waive their right to sue. So we are stuck in a Texas A&M-to-SEC holding pattern until the other non-A&M, non-OU schools waive their right to threaten legal action against the SEC. Basically, we are all waiting on Oklahoma to make up its mind.
That's not stopping the sharks from circling however, with the latest conference to circle being bottom feeder Big East. According to a source, the Big East has been talking to Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State and/or Baylor about serving as a cushy landing spot should the Big 12 in fact implode on itself.
"But Baylor, like Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State, isn't sitting idle. Neither is the Big East, which has reached out to the Big 12 schools that could be left behind if the conference were to lose two members (Oklahoma and Oklahoma State) or four (the Oklahoma schools, Texas and Texas Tech), the source said.
The Big East would be willing to expand to 12 football-playing members and 20 for men's and women's basketball in order to stave off a potential raid from the SEC (West Virginia), the ACC (Syracuse and Connecticut) or even the Big Ten (Pitt or Rutgers), according to sources."
Insert your fanciful 12 football program, 20 basketball program realignment scenario here.
Of course, this is hardly Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State or Baylor's first choice. All five programs would much rather make the Big 12 less Texas A&M work by expanding to three schools and getting back to 12. But for Big East fans, there seems to be a strange embrace of Marinatto's strategy to pick up five more Midwestern schools with middling football programs and above average hoops.
To me, this just reeks of desperation and is further confirmation that BC absolutely made the right choice in moving from the Big East to the ACC after the 2003-04 season. Marinatto probably even thinks that by adding two smallish Texas private schools in TCU and Baylor that the Big East is going to corner the Texas TV market in the process. Good luck with that.
When the Big East started discussing schools like Louisville for inclusion in the conference, the writing was on the wall for the AD and the school's administration. Now the conference is talking about bailing out four or five of the least desirable Big 12 programs left, and creating a football conference that spans from Storrs to Forth Worth and Manhattan, Kansas to Tampa. Have fun attempting to make the "increased travel costs in the ACC" argument against Boston College now, suckas.
Not to mention this transforms the Big East into a 20 (or more) member basketball conference that is less conference and more scheduling consortium. If Syracuse and Georgetown fans are upset that their respective basketball programs are only meeting once this year, what's going to happen when they go an entire year without facing one another in a 20+ member league?
Of course, this whole Big East expansion strategy could be foiled if the Big 12 manages to stick together, a possibility that gets better and better the longer Baylor and the rest of the Big 12 continues to refuse their right to sue. And Oklahoma State super booster T. Boone Pickens seems to think that the Big 12 can keep it together if the conference moves to equal revenue sharing while allowing Texas to keep its Longhorn Network.
Above all else, remember guys, "don't rush the monkey, and you'll get a better show."
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Marinatto's strategy??
Who said it was Marinatto’s strategy? We all know that the Shadow Commissioner, Tim Pernetti, is pulling the strings now.
I thought the shadow Commissioner was Oliver Luck? Or is he just serving as nominal commissioner until West Virginia bolts for the SEC?
Editor, BC Interruption
and while that was 90% facetious, it's pretty clear . . .
that Pernetti, Luck and Pederson are driving this mad dash to expand-at-any-cost.
Wait I thought Texas not willing to share revenue was the main problem
Probably why Pickens said he would like to remain in the Big12, he also said a decision will soon be made. Read into that as you wish. I find it funny Baylor is threatening to sue to keep the Big12 together, yet didn’t have a problem leaving the old SWC. Or better yet doesn’t have a problem looking for a new home or considering what teams from other conferences to steal. The Big12, you just have to love them.
Agreed
Myerberg has a great post on Baylor’s duplicity. This all makes the BC-Big East divorce look tame in comparison.
http://www.presnapread.com/the-wrong-time-for-baylors-stand/
Editor, BC Interruption
To be fair to Baylor - I'm not sure they "didn't have a problem leaving the old SWC."
They didn’t really have a choice; they either had to follow Texas and A&M or join the WAC.
So they would just have an excuse for their current hypocrisy.
You are right, it’s not like they had a good choice, but they still hade one. I’m sure TAMU feels the same in their own mind right?
by ev on Sep 9, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
T Boone
T Boone, an OSU, not OU, major domo booster, does not like ND or BYU, but does like TCU
“Notre Dame already has a network and they’re damaged merchandise, as far as I’m concerned,” Pickens said. "I don’t want Notre Dame. And BYU? Who in the hell knows where Provo, Utah, is? The natural one is TCU. So, if that’s it, do it and go forward.
Ouch, taking swings at ND and BYU. I wonder if T. Boone knows how many people have heard of his glorified community college in Stillwater.
Though he does get some brownie points for referring to the Irish as “damaged merchandise.”
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UCF
All this Big East talking to Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State and Baylor stuff has got to piss off our UCF frenemies something fierce.
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lets go all out
You want a super conference, let FSU, GT, clemson, whoever join the SEC, then combine the ACC with the B1G TEN for something like a 22 school mega conference
"above average hoops" - really?
What I read from the NY Post is adding Missouri, Kansas and Kansas State. Considering Kansas is one of the top bball programs, while Missouri & K State have been Top 25 regulars in the past five years….that is way more than above average hoops.
Kansas, for a middling football team, has also been to more BCS games than BC has. Missouri has been a Top 25 football team since Pinkel took over. K State…well, they used to be good.
They also bring along the valuable KC & STL markets…why do you think the SEC is interested in Missouri?
In the conference realignment game, the Big East > ACC almost by dumb luck if this happens. The Big East will have the NYC, Philly, DC, Chicago, Milwaukee, Louisville, Tampa, STL, KC and Dallas markets to show off for TV people next year when the TV rights are up for sale.
The ACC already has its deal, and is on the verge of losing at least one team (probably Va. Tech). And why would a Big East team leave potential riches to play in a conference that is a) just as terrible in football and b) inferior in basketball???
My point is none of the remaining Big 12 five — Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State or Baylor — add much in the way of football value to the Big East.
South Florida, Cincinnati, TCU, Baylor and Louisville all tread VERY lightly in their own TV markets, and there just isn’t a ton of people in Kansas and Iowa. The Big East would become an amalgamation of BCS programs that have been either cast aside (any of the Big 12 leftovers) or recently promoted (TCU, Cincinnati, South Florida, Louisville) and offers little in the way of geographic or similar schools. No redeeming academic qualities. As such, nothing appealing for Boston College.
There’s little to no stability without solving the football/basketball split, and short of the Big East breaking away from the basketball-only members, a 20+ basketball league becomes almost untenable. And if the league does decide to jettison the basketball-only schools, you lose these hoops programs: Marquette, Villanova, Providence, Georgetown, Notre Dame and St. Johns and Seton Hall (ties to the NYC market). OK, you also lose DePaul, which is addition by subtraction, but you also lose any foothold in Chicago, even if DePaul (again) treads lightly.
How do any of the scenarios make the Big East > ACC in the conference realignment game?
I also wouldn’t be so sure that an ACC team is going to get poached. A school like West Virginia is equally appealing, and Virginia Tech has repeatedly denied any interest in the SEC. WVU, on the other hand … well, I wouldn’t get into any blood pact with Oliver Luck about sticking around and watching the Big East become a joke of its own conference name.
By the way, I didn’t realize God lived in College Park …
Editor, BC Interruption
Not so fast......
I always enjoy reading your blog. You continue to fight the good fight for your program and in-spite of your homeristic views, I respect your opinions.
A couple of corrections though:
South Florida, Cincinnati, TCU, Baylor and Louisville all tread VERY lightly in their own TV markets
UofL is the ONLY game in town. Louisville is the 16th largest city in the US and the largest without a professional sports franchise. For all practical purposes UofL fills that void. Our corporate and community support are a testament to that fact.
“Not only is Louisville basketball the most profitable basketball program in the country, it’s more profitable than the football program at any Big East school. It’s also more profitable than any football program in the ACC or Pac-10! Keep in mind, these numbers were for the season before Louisville basketball began play in a new arena.”
Many believe that because Louisville is unfortunate enough to be located in a backward, backwater state like Kentucky that The SEC is popular here. Much like it is in the other backward, backwater states where The SEC calls home. Thankfully that is not the case.
The simple truth is UK football games not shown on ESPN are shown at 1AM on local TV here in Louisville. Until two years ago UK didn’t even have a clear channel radio station in Louisville to carry its games in the city until Host Communications bought the rights and paid 1 million to a local station to get them to broadcast UK games in the Louisville market. At last check the radio station is have trouble selling advertisements.
Also note that not everyone in The BIG East misses Boston College. Just because of few of our misguided Yankee friends up north pine for your return doesn’t mean that we all do. Many of us would welcome The BIG East moving it’s geographical center further west by adding Big 12 teams like Kansas, Missouri and Kansas State.
Good luck this season.
CJ
We all need to stop rehashing the tired argument about per-program profits. It’s great that your basketball program is extremely profitable, but this is the equivalent of having a pissing contest over one line item on a corporate balance sheet. You wouldn’t use that one line item to give a corporate valuation.
Program revenues and total AD revenues matter, per-program profits don’t.
http://www.bcinterruption.com/2011/6/25/2237170/college-football-basketball-profits-2009-2010
2010-11 football profits
1. Virginia Tech (Football) — $31,155,870
2. Clemson Univ. (Football) — $30,994,503
3. Georgia Tech (Football) — $24,870,064
4. Univ. of Miami (Football) — $24,631,029
5. Univ. of North Carolina (Football) — $22,077,550
6. North Carolina State (Football) — $22,018,738
7. Boston College (Football) — $19,184,902
8. Univ. of Virginia (Football) — $19,004,653
9. Florida State Univ. (Football) — $18,958,861
10. Duke University (Football) — $16,109,324
11. University of Louisville (Football) — $15,537,276
12. Univ. of Maryland (Football) — $11,540,368
13. Wake Forest University (Football) — $10,227,922
Editor, BC Interruption
On the attractiveness of the Louisville market ...
I’m seeing that Louisville is the 27th largest city in the country. The Louisville TV market ranks 50th.
Louisville is the ONLY game in town, which assumes that Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio State and Cincinnati have little influence in the city and on television. It must be a coincidence that Louisville football has already played on Thursday night and Friday night once, and has two more Friday night games this season.
Like I said, treads lightly.
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