ACC Expansion: Boston College Hoops' Future
The additions of Syracuse and Pittsburgh to the ACC (in 2014) will have various impacts on the Boston College Eagles and the conference as whole. It would be rather hard to argue that BC football is hurt by having two new opponents in the vicinity, but what about basketball? The ACC and Big East have been fighting it out for college basketball supremacy over the past several years. The argument has long been that the Big East boasted more depth while the ACC's cream of the crop, UNC and Duke, were better than anything that the Big East could offer. The arrival of Syracuse and Pittsburgh will change this and should have significant impact on BC's basketball program.
As is the case in football, Boston College benefits from the close proximity of the new opponents. As the conference currently stands, BC is clearly the only school in the northeast region. One would expect the Eagles to revive old Big East rivalries with the ACC newcomers. This will create more buzz about the program, get the Eagles on national television a few more times per year, and ultimately, help our recruiting. While there are numerous factors that go into effective recruiting, increased exposure may be one of the most important. Prospective recruits don't want to play in front of an half-filled Conte Forum. They the electric basketball environments that you see with Cameron Indoor and Allen Fieldhouse. That's not to say that Boston College hoops will ever reach that level of intrigue, but yearly rivalries with basketball powerhouses will most certainly make Steve Donahue's pitch more appealing to talented players.
Naturally, the conference expansion comes with its fair share of negatives for Boston College as well. The most prominent is that Syracuse and Pittsburgh make the ACC the most competitive basketball conference in the country. While BC should enjoy increased national exposure, I wouldn't expect a conference championship anytime soon. Overcoming perennial Final Four contenders, Duke and UNC, was hard enough. When you throw Pitt and 'Cuse into the mix, the task becomes nearly impossible. BC simply doesn't have the recruiting ability to compete with the talent that such historic programs throw on the court, year after year. In this sense, it would appear that BC basketball is on the losing end of this whole thing, but I tend to disagree. BC's ACC championship hopes simply went from slim to slimmer, while we stand to benefit in multiple ways, with the next point perhaps being the most intriguing.
The added strength and depth of the ACC should help the Eagles' chances at gaining a berth in the NCAA tournament. In recent years, the Big East has been notorious for sending seven, eight, or even nine teams to the Big Dance. Teams such as Cincinnati and St. John's frequently get the nod over mid-majors due to the strength of their conference and schedules. I expect a similar effect to help propel BC into the Big Dance despite relatively mediocre win-loss records.
BC will undoubtedly face stark competition in the new-look ACC but it isn't all bad. It will be hard to ignore a basketball program that faces Syracuse, Duke, UNC, and Pittsburgh every year, especially if the Eagles manage to pull the occasional upset. More big games against big time basketball programs should get students and alumni excited and get the culture surrounding BC hoops headed in the right direction.
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Negative affect on recruiting
I think this will actually hurt us in recruiting because we lose one of our biggest selling points from the last 6 years, which was that if a northeast recruit wanted to play in the ACC, and stay close to home, BC was their only option.
Umm
Did this work in our favor? What prominent recruit from the Northeast played at BC with the ACC being the selling point. Rakim’s the best New England recruit we ever got and he came because he was Preston Murphy’s cousin.
I think it will undoubtedly help recruiting. There is no question now the ACC is the top dog in hoops. Players overlooked by the Dukes, UNCs, Pitts, Syracuses, etc. that want to play in the best conference in the country can now look at the BC.
Did this work in our favor? What prominent recruit from the Northeast played at BC with the ACC being the selling point. Rakim’s the best New England recruit we ever got and he came because he was Preston Murphy’s cousin.
Just going to make the same point: simply doesn’t translate empirically.
I think adding SU and Pitt will only have a marginal effect on our performance: it’s not like we were stealing basketball recruits from either of them the past couple of years (so there’s not much to “lose”).
Donahue’s maturation as a Big 6 conference coach: his ability to recruit, both players and coaches, and to grow interest in the program organically will affect the ascent of the program more than macro factors (imo).
by Eagle in Brighton on Sep 23, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s all true but I just see it as being that much harder now. more competition for recruits is more competition, and if you think that conference affiliation doesn’t play a factor in recruiting you’re wrong. we had something before that made us stand out and we don’t have it anymore. i don’t think “come play against ’cuse” is going to help us anymore than “come play against duke and unc” would. i hope im wrong about that, but i just don’t see it right now.
of course, all of this is incredibly minor compared to the importance of making BC nationally relevant again as a program. if donahue can accomplish that, then everything else will fall into place
You act players are designated to a conference at birth. Your recruiting competition is still the same, and so is Pitt’s. Let’s say for example Duke moved to the SEC. Do you think they still wouldn’t compete with North Carolina for players? If anything, you might be able to get more recruits. If the Big East was seen as the best basketball conference, then players might prefer to play in the Big East. If the ACC is again considered the best conference, that might make BC more attractive. You’ve been competing with Syracuse for the past 8 years in recruiting. This won’t make a difference.
Lets use an example. There’s a kid from North Carolina who doesn’t get a Duke or UNC offer but is still set on playing ACC basketball cause that’s what he grew up around. He goes to Brewster for high school and has strong connections in the northeast. Sounds like BC would have a pretty good shot at this kid before, but now BC has to compete with Cuse and Pitt for the kid, whereas before they had the advantage.
It’s not a common situation, but neither is selling a kid on getting to play vs. Pitt and ‘Cuse. It’s simply more competition that’s similar to us in many ways. Why do you think BC is so opposed to UConn in the ACC? Same reason. Anything that hurts our uniqueness hurts our ability to recruit over other schools.
BC is opposing UConn
for more reason than basketball recruiting. Football recruiting that’s a different story.
I think you are overestimating Pitt and Cuse’s impact on our basketball recruiting. It’s practically nothing. We haven’t ever been stealing recruits from Pitt or Cuse and don’t expect to anytime soon…ACC or Big East. Hopefully SD changes that.
The point is that when you see a BC basketball game on TV, it’s not a very good environment other than against UNC or Duke. Now with closer ACC rivals, Conte Forum should be a better environment and if BC is competitive with these teams, will get more national exposure, thus helping recruiting.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Sep 23, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong
That may have been the case when the Big East was a powerhouse, but if the Big East crumbles, North East recruits will want to play in the best basketball conference in the nation, especially if the ACC increases it’s North East presence. I know that’s a negative for a lot of ACC fans, but with the SEC breathing down our necks, this league needs to be proactive and that’s what it’s done with its recent expansion.
by Mathew Cowdery on Sep 27, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
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Nice to see individual hockey tickets finally on sale (even legit matchups like BU, Denver, etc. still available).
Can’t make enough Friday night starts this year for season tickets, but was happy to lock down 4 games.
by Eagle in Brighton on Sep 23, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions
Let’s just say it’s been a slow week at work…
by Eagle in Brighton on Sep 23, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Admittedly, we need to step up our hockey coverage. We are in the home stretch here, and BC hockey is really the only thing that is going to keep me going this year.
It’s just been an incredibly busy week at work and in college sports. Someone’s gotta fight the good fight against the puppies of UConn …
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Did you see St. Cloud State pull a “BC” on the WCHA this week? The old WCHA/CCHA is in some serious trouble. No good.
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I know
I’m worried about those small hockey programs being left behind. It’s not like CFB where it’s a matter of how much money a program will make, in hockey, a small program relegated to perhaps independent status as a result of the shake-up could potentially close up shop.
Will be interesting to see how that plays out.
by Eagle in Brighton on Sep 23, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Bowling Green, Ferris State, Alabama-Huntsville … screwed.
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by Brian Favat on Sep 23, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
slow week at work
Oh, not criticizing you guys at all: was just being self-deprecating.
by Eagle in Brighton on Sep 23, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t taking as criticism. Just lamenting the fact that there was a bunch of stuff I wanted to get to but didn’t.
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by Brian Favat on Sep 23, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone’s gotta fight the good fight against the puppies of UConn …
Truer words have not been spoken.
by Eagle in Brighton on Sep 23, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
From a Pitt Fan
AS a Pitt Fan, I’m excited to see Pitt join a conference with some stability. Honestly, I would have preferred to stay in the Big East, and see some of the ACC members (including BC) join us, but what’s done is done and I’m happy to move forward.
But you BC fans must not have a very good memory. Let’s go back about 12 years and take a look at Pitt’s basketball program. You were still in the Big East, you should remember it. Ummm….we stunk, and that’s putting it nicely. . We made the NCAA tournament 0 times between 1993 and 2002. We had Paul Evans and Ralph Willard as our coaches. I went back and looked at the rosters of some of those teams. God Awful.
And, don’t take this the wrong way, but conference play didn’t exactly get easier when you and Miami and VT left and Cincinnati, Louisville, and Marquette joined. (Yes, we did get an automatic win per year with the add of DePaul).
The point is, you shouldn’t look at it like your basketball program is doomed to fail. If you get the right coach, a-la Howland/Dixon, you can compete with anyone.
I think his point is just that the right coach can turn around any program, even one experiencing a 5 season slide (as we are currently). I have faith in Donahue: it’s just not going to be a quick fix.
by Eagle in Brighton on Sep 23, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitt was terrible my freshman year, then turned it on starting in 2001-02 iirc. One of the more remarkable turnarounds in college basketball over the last few decades.
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by Brian Favat on Sep 23, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
...doomed to fail?
It’s been there for several years. You have no option other than being an optimist when it comes to BC’s mens basketball. They can only get better. The presence of Pitt and SU just makes it a harder hill to climb. BC isn’t stealing even a mascot from either of these schools!
BLINK! Benefits to proximity...
…of other schools, but not when it comes to football? Maybe that should have read..close..but not too close as in…CT close. I’m starting to think that BC football just doesn’t want to play CT in football for fear of losing to another…weaker conference.
BC basketball? Well, I suppose if you want to play in the ACC and stick around the northeast, without having to fit into a “cosmopolitan” (someone used this term the other day) culture…then you don’t choose BC. So that doesn’t help.
The good…is that BC men’s bball is so bad…nothing can really hurt it
If you want to just play in the ACC, then that doesn’t help either…because BC is already benefiting from DUKE and NC leftovers, as well as Big East leftovers, and it hasn’t helped. Not even a lil bit.
They will get exposure and I spose the school will welcome a few more tv dollars…all at the expense of BC being overmatched on national television. But….with the good…comes the bad.
My point…SU and Pitt joining ACC basketball doesn’t help BC …doesn’t hurt it either. Right now… I have a greater interest in BC women’s BBall than mens.
BC men’s ball is so bad… you mean so young because of the lack of recruiting under Skinner. Donahue and staff didn’t exceed expectations last year? What team were you watching? Give Donahue a break…
by chessprodigy on Sep 26, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions

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