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There's no telling whether the conference carousel has stopped spinning for the ACC. My guess is we'll know more tomorrow when both Texas and Oklahoma announce their intentions, though it's looking more and more like both those programs (as well as Texas Tech and Oklahoma State) are headed west.

But for the time being, let's take a look at how the ACC's two newest additions impact the conference and Boston College.

I don't need to tell you that the additions of Syracuse and Pittsburgh to the ACC is a BIG, big win for Boston College. Above all else, it validates the school's 2003 decision to leave the Big East. Syracuse was part of the original ACC expansion plan as a way of expanding into the northeast portion of the country. That original plan is now realized with a conference that spans from Chestnut Hill to Miami and picks up two new states and markets between Massachusetts and Maryland. See above map for our new geographical continuity and dominance.

TV dollars. One of the biggest benefits of this move is that it will allow the conference renegotiate its television rights deal with ESPN. Part of the reason that there were (what now appear to be bogus) reports that John Marinatto was gonna make it rain with the Big East's next television contract was due to the fact that the Big East boasted the largest television footprint of any BCS conference. New York City, the largest market in the country, and Pittsburgh (24th largest) were a big part of those unrealized valuations. Now with both those markets claimed as ACC territory, this should provide added value enough to get the ACC's media rights contract a little closer to the other BCS AQ conference contracts.

TV coverage. The addition of Syracuse, in particular, makes the Atlantic Coast Conference relevant in New York City. We'll soon find out how great the reach of "New York's College Team" really is, but ACC TV coverage in New York will be a huge boost to the conference and to Boston College. There are plenty of BC alumni living in the greater NYC area, but currently the ACC Network does not have an affiliate in the New York City area (though the ACC Network does currently extend to Syracuse and Albany). TV coverage in NYC will hopefully be added with the addition of Syracuse. 

Local rivals. A big criticism of Boston College's move to the ACC back in 2004 was that the school and the program abandoned longstanding rivalries with Syracuse (in particular) and Pittsburgh. Looks like the old gang is back together again. BC and Syracuse have met on the gridiron 46 times previously, with the Orange owning a 28-18 edge in the all-time series. The only program we've played more frequently is Holy Cross. Pittsburgh and BC have met 29 times, with the Panthers having a slight 16-13 edge in the all-time series. Football games in Syracuse and Pittsburgh are easy trips for Superfans from Boston and add to the already solid list of college football destinations on Saturdays. 

Conference football scheduling. My guess is you'll see the new look ACC move to nine-conference football games in relatively short order. Previously under the current conference configuration, the 12 ACC schools had studied moving to a nine-game schedule in the past and shot the proposal down multiple times. With 14 and potentially 16 programs, nine games becomes nearly essential. This helps BC when it comes to scheduling non-conference opponents and writing a check to MAC, I-AA and other pushover opponents. It also adds to the conference's TV inventory and is another bargaining chip in any renegotiation of the television contract.

Non-conference football scheduling. Syracuse was on BC's future non-conference schedule in 2013, 2015, 2017, 2018 and 2021 (home) and 2014, 2016, 2019 and 2020 (road). GDF's plan was to make this the Eagles final regular season game of the season each year against Syracuse. Obviously with the Orange moving to the conference, this contract will be voided and BC and Syracuse will likely meet annually in an end-of-season conference game. This frees up a slot on the Eagles' annual non-conference schedule, although BC will likely have one less non-conference game to schedule each season with a nine-game conference schedule (see above).

Get ready for an annual non-conf schedule of Notre Dame or other BCS opponent, UMass and a I-AA school. 

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Conference tournaments and championships. For the ultimate f*** you to the Big East, Commissioner Swofford is toying with the idea of moving the ACC Basketball Tournament to MSG on a rotating basis. Now we are just thumbing our nose at the Big East.

Regardless of where the ACC Tournament is played, the additions of Syracuse and Pittsburgh open up the possibility of moving some of these conference tournaments and championships from the Carolinas to points further north. Even Baltimore, Washington DC or New York would be a welcome change of pace from a steady diet of championships played in North Carolina. We might even see renewed talks of hosting the ACC Baseball Championship at Fenway Park. Of course, only when the economy picks back up.

A positive is that we may seem a move north for some of these Championships, although this likely comes at the expense of the current ACC Men's Basketball Tournament format. Hopefully the ACC Tournament doesn't move to the joke of a format that the Big East Tournament became, which included inviting 16 programs (with plans of inviting all 17) and maintaining a double- and triple- byes format with teams beginning tournament play on the Sunday before the Championship.

Men's lacrosse. The addition of Syracuse lacrosse turns the otherwise laughable ACC men's lacrosse league -- with just four teams -- into the premiere men's college lacrosse conference in the country. There is at least some speculation that Pittsburgh could finally elevate its men's lacrosse program to Division I, giving the conference six programs and an automatic bid to the NCAA Tournament. The addition of Syracuse may also renew interest in fielding a Division I men's lacrosse program for both N.C. State and Boston College, who both fielded a varsity lax team at some point. For BC, the biggest hurdle is finding the extra women's scholarships to offset the addition of the scholarships needed to compete on the Division I level #TitleIX'd. Well, there's that, and of course the proper funding required to field a team.

Other Non-Revenue Sports. Interestingly, Syracuse does not field a varsity men's baseball program to get around Title IX restrictions. I believe that ACC by-laws require all members to participate in football and men's basketball, but I'm not sure that a similar rule exists for baseball. If not, this gives the ACC an uneven number of baseball teams with Pittsburgh (13). Football and TV is clearly driving the conference expansion party bus, but ACC baseball is something to keep an eye on given Syracuse makes the conference uneven. Particularly if the ACC isn't done expanding.

 

Overall, the additions of Syracuse and Pittsburgh are two strong additions to the conference. Boston College seems to make out even better than most. Even if the conference stops at 14, the ACC is poised to emerge as one of the biggest winners in the conference expansion arms race.

What do you think of the move and how it will impact BC? Your thoughts?

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Unfortunately BC will likely find the money for a men’s lax team by dropping its men’s swimming program. The swim team is varsity but has no scholarships but eliminating it would free up the money BC would want for lax.

As a former BC swimmer I would definitely be against this course of action but men’s swimming teams are being dropped all over the country.

by dlo561 on Sep 18, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Funds, but not scholarships

The Title IX requirement is more related to scholarships than funding. Would need to either field another women’s varsity sport or cut an existing scholarship varsity sport.

by Brian Favat on Sep 18, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

Just want to say between the ACC move and the state of the football program post-Duke, you guys are doing an excellent job of providing BC fans great info and analysis.

by hoyaeagle on Sep 18, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks

Still not ready to talk about the Duke loss.

by Brian Favat on Sep 18, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what I’m saying.

by hoyaeagle on Sep 18, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seconded

I’m still in the denial phase of post-game rehabiliation.

by Eagle in Brighton on Sep 19, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Primary

The primary problem with BC in the ACC was the 28th Massachusetts going South. Now, there are some Northern natural rivals which will take care of that problem. The championship game will then be a vestigual replay of the Civil War. There are plenty of other problems but this is a good start for BC. Basketball improves as well with such as North Carolina v Syracuse. Title IX is a continued problem with large numbers of football players having to balance. A side issue is that Title IX should be interpreted (which is one legal definition) that percentages should be based on level of interest. Cheerleading should be allowed to count as well. This is a national problem which such as Donna Shalala are well “on top” of. The more lingering problem is the change within the NCAA to allow scholarships to be “renewed” on a yearly basis. This leaves the NCAA itself as being vulnerable to suit for “using” athletes to make money. Sadly, our present coach “dumped” a number of athletes just before the season which fall within this definition. The legal system has a number of viable suits within the “pipeline” and this could make this “super 16” model for football conferences very much vulnerable under this line of reasoning. I would hope that WPL would be “on top of this” before such as Donna Shalala jumps on it.

by JBQ on Sep 18, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

As far as the basketball tournament

If we stay at 14…shouldn’t just the top 2 teams receive a bye with the other 12 playing in the first round?

by hoyaeagle on Sep 18, 2011 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

How about we just not invite the bottom 2 teams and keep the current format? Everyone doesn’t need a trophy.

by Brian Favat on Sep 18, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly

Let’s not be the Big East and invite every basketball team to the tournament. If you finish last, you’re likely not winning the conference tournament anyways

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by oaklandzoo12 on Sep 18, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

And some of the games against the bottom teams in the conference actually hurt bubble team’s SOS.

The DePauls of college basketball do not deserve a trip to the conference tournament after going 0-18 in conf. play.

by Brian Favat on Sep 18, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am very unclear what the argument is here.

Flip it. Why play the regular season at all if the only reward for a top regular season finish is a game against the 16 seed in a conference as strong as the ACC. There’s little incentive to finish in the top spots in the regular season standings if the tournament doesn’t reward top seeds.

This is different from the NCAA Tournament where a 1 seed is guaranteed a game against a 16 from the Atlantic Sun or the MEAC. The 16 team in the ACC could easily knock off a 1 in the first round in a single-elimination basketball game.

There’s clearly a reason why nearly every conference tournament rewards top seeds with something other than just a high-seed and a chance to play a low seed in the first round.

Under the ACC’s current format, there is a big incentive to finish in the top 4 spots and receive a first round bye. Why are you proposing getting rid of this again? Just to give the bottom 2 or 4 teams in the regular season standings a trip to Greensboro, Atlanta or Tampa?

by Brian Favat on Sep 18, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

See your point and the SOS argument is valid. But more conference tourney games would be more money correct?

by hoyaeagle on Sep 18, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only if they get picked up by TV. The first rounds of the Big East and ACC tournament were rarely televised in the past.

by Brian Favat on Sep 18, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay, let's take this slowly

If you want to reward the best teams for their body of work, you should give the NCAA automatic bid to the regular season champion, which is clearly more meaningful than the tournament champion (4 games is far less data than 16-18 games), and not play the tournament at all. Despite some really amazing games the Orange have played at MSG, the conference tournaments are a pure moneygrab move; they don’t help get the best teams to the post-season no matter what format you use.

Having a tournament at all is staging an event to make money and to allow otherwise undeserving teams to have a shot at the NCAAs. Given that, there’s no margin in not inviting everyone (as almost every conference does).

by drothgery on Sep 18, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding television impact

College football as a whole seems to have little to no interest to the NYC area in general. The only teams likely to garner any eyeballs at the moment are Penn State and Notre Dame, of which one is in the B1G and the other probably will be at some point in the near future. Where Syracuse (and UConn, if they’re added as a 15/16) is in men’s basketball. SU has a large alumni base in NYC and there’s a reason that MSG is considered a “home” court game for the Orange. I don’t know how over UConn is in the city proper, but the it should register high in the southern CT suburbs. Anyone who thinks Rutgers is relevant in NYC needs to have their head checked.

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by jpb531 on Sep 18, 2011 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Rutgers

isn’t even relevant in Jersey, let alone New York City. I just moved to Hoboken and honestly I see more BC and Penn State gear than I do anything Rutgers. If the ACC is going to expand to 16 teams, hopefully we can find candidates that bring more to the table. With UConn you at least get a second “New England” school and a compliment to Pitt, Syracuse, and especially BC. Rutgers brings nothing…absolutely nothing.

by scj on Sep 18, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh oh

Don’t go saying that Rutgers or UConn provide marginal value-add … getting killed for this in the other thread.

Trolls be trolling.

by Brian Favat on Sep 18, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea for reals

But hey while we’re at it, if we HAD to pick one of those two I’d still have to say Rutgers over UConn because it strengthens our exposure in recruit rich NJ while still providing us the same number of huskie women as UConn.

by DCash on Sep 18, 2011 6:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The ACC could end up with half of NYC market's top 10 college football draws.

Just by adding Rutgers and Connecticut. Check it.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

The NYC market is the largest market for college football in the country, of course, even though it doesn’t have the fan density per capita that you find in Tallahassee.

ND is the #2 draw in the NYC market. Even if ND doesn’t join the ACC, the Irish would still be playing regular televised games against ACC opponents like Boston College.

The ACC is moving to better its TV negotiating position immensely. It’s putting together what may be the most lucrative geographic footprint in college sports.

The data shown are just for football. Loyalties would be much the same for basketball but more TV sets in the market would be tuned in and regional teams would be stronger in the sport.

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by Abiaka Windclan on Sep 19, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Top 10 Fan Followings for College Football Teams, NYC market

Rutgers
Notre Dame
Penn State
Connecticut
Michigan
Syracuse
Miami
Army
Ohio State
Boston College

From the article by Nate Silver cited above.
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

The following for Rutgers more than doubles that for Notre Dame and is 10 times that for Boston College. Connecticut is in the top 5, ahead of Michigan.

Picking up both schools in addition to the schools it has now would mean lots more eyes on the ACC network.

Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Sep 19, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Data is suspect, wouldn't you say?

Ohio State clearly has a lot more fans than Boston College, no? The Ohio State University has more than 50k students and is one of the largest schools in the country. BC has 14.5k students and just 9k undergrads.

I have a hard time believing that Ohio State’s fan footprint is that small.

by Brian Favat on Sep 20, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though I agree the ACC is putting together a geographic footprint that rivals the Pac-12’s in terms of media markets and viewers, even without Rutgers and UConn.

by Brian Favat on Sep 20, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could this mean no more atlantic/coastal divisions?

Instead, there could be an easily understandable North/South setup.

North:
BC
Pitt
‘Cuse
Maryland
Virginia
Va Tech
UNC (One of 4 NC teams…we’ll say UNC for now)

South:
Duke
NC State
Wake
Clemson
Miami
FSU
Georgia Tech

While in this example, the North seems like a basketball power and the South a football power, I think it’s an interesting idea to throw out there.

by dgeagle7 on Sep 18, 2011 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Of the 4

North would get Wake. NCSU and UNC are going to be in the same division, as are UNC and Duke. None of them really care about Wake, so they would be shipped up north.

by bc923 on Sep 18, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of how NC State, Duke and UNC are all in the same division now?

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by tricknole on Sep 18, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read what I replied to...

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by tricknole on Sep 19, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about ...

Replace UNC or one of 4 NC teams in the north with Miami? Old Big East gang back together.

by Brian Favat on Sep 18, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

I don’t want to play Miami any more than absolutely required. Miami in the Big East was not a rivalry; it was a marriage of convenience. At least the series with Virginia Tech was competitive and fun, even if there was no real history to it and hasn’t been played since, but Miami? Except when they were on probation, they almost always curb-stomped the Orange. No matter how good we looked against everyone else. I think we even won a share of the Big East despite getting blown out by Miami at least once.

by drothgery on Sep 18, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speak for yourself

BC and Miami have a long history on the gridiron, albeit a lopsided one much like Miami-Syracuse. BC should do everything it can to get Miami on the schedule more than two times in six seasons.

by Brian Favat on Sep 18, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least you've got the Flutie Hail Mary game as a signature win

And really, probably one of the most famous BC football games, ever. There’s nothing like that in the history of SU-Miami (once or twice we threatened to have a game like that, but, of course, we lost anyway).

by drothgery on Sep 18, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Miami is an east coast city rather than a southern city, unlike the other southern schools. “Old Big East” plus Maryland (who should’ve been in the Big East in the first place) and “Old ACC” should be the divisions.

by spitball27 on Sep 18, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miami is likely I think

Miami’s alumni base is huge in the Northeast, they will want to be in the northern division. Honestly, I’m cool with that. Easy, cheap flight down and a fun road trip.

by CSOM_97 on Sep 18, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is accurate

As long as we continue to play FSU every year, I am pretty sure that most Miami fans would prefer to be in a northern division where we have more traditional rivalries and the majority of our alumni are based.

by Uknowit2309 on Sep 18, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do the divisions have to make geographical sense?

As much fun as it might be to make this a North vs. South fight, I’d rather the ACC mix up the teams precisely so the conference integrates better.

Maybe keep the current divisions, but put Syracuse in the Atlantic and Pitt in the Coastal.

by chicagofire1871 on Sep 19, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

ACC Lax

The lacrosse league is anything but laughable. The four teams from the ACC sponsoring lacrosse are four of the best teams in the nation – Duke, UNC, Virginia, and Maryland are THE nation’s elite and while they don’t have an auto bid, all four are routinely qualified for the NCAA tournament with national bids.

Adding Syracuse to the mix means the ACC has the most historic, best program in lacrosse history. It’s like they formed a league with the New York Yankees/Boston Red Sox, Pittsburgh Steelers/New England Patriots, LA Lakers/Boston Celtics, and Montreal Canadiens, along with Manchester United and the Brazilian and Italian national teams. No ACC team in their right mind would ever jump into that league – they’d never compete for a conference title.

by DRubes12 on Sep 18, 2011 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Laughable ...

I say laughable only because we consider four programs to be a “conference.” Love the addition of Syracuse for lax. Best lax in the country now, brah.

by Brian Favat on Sep 18, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other words ...

I find it funny that the ACC programs each play each other once and we crown an ACC champion based on three games. You have to admit that’s kinda silly.

by Brian Favat on Sep 18, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d go with the Cowboys and 49ers before the Patriots but yeah

by seaboard on Sep 19, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Change the map. - all NewEng should be red

Just like the Pats, BC reps all of New England not just MA (which is another reason we do not need UConn b/c we got it covered)

by waterwater on Sep 18, 2011 9:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Right

Even further, if you look closely at the map, Pennsylvania and New York completely close the geographic gap between Massachusetts and Maryland. MA borders NY which borders PA which borders MD … you don’t need either New Jersey or Connecticut for this. We’ve already done that.

by Brian Favat on Sep 18, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Are ESPN's coverage maps in NE completely filled in for BC/ACC games?

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