Conference Realignment: Syracuse And Pittsburgh Headed To The ACC?
It's been less than 24 hours since I wrote this:
"But I also think the ACC is currently in a much stronger position than others would have you believe, and think that adding two of the Big East's stronger programs along with Texas and Big 12 survivor #2 could be the type of move that:
1) makes your conference stronger at your rival conference's expense and
2) could cause the end of the Big East as a BCS AQ conference.If the ACC made another run at Syracuse (original ACC expansion candidate, etc. etc.) and one of Pittsburgh / Rutgers / Connecticut, that would likely be the end of the Big East as a viable BCS conference. Couple those moves with a move by West Virginia to the SEC -- my current pick for SEC #14 -- and the Big East would be left with only Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor and Missouri from the Big 12.
Weakening the conference you are most often compared to by poaching two of their stronger programs and pairing with Texas and Texas Tech seems like a much better play than adding four Big 12 schools and watching the Big East balloon to 12 football programs, 20 basketball programs and land a better TV contract."
And it already looks like the wheels are in motion for my ACC expansion plan.
According to a report in the New York Times, the ACC is currently in discussions with both Syracuse and Pitt about leaving the Big East to join the ACC. And we're not just talking about your latest conference realignment internet rumor, either. Neither the ACC nor representatives from each school are denying the talks, so it sounds like this Thamel report may actually have legs.
I've written multiple times that both Syracuse and Pittsburgh would be 1a and 1b on my list of possible ACC expansion targets from the Big East. Both schools would expand the conference's northern footprint and add markets that give the conference more geographic continuity up and down the East coast. Pittsburgh gives the conference a top 25 TV market and helps open up the Pennsylvania recruiting pipeline, while Syracuse gives the ACC a presence in New York and helps bridge the geographic gap between BC and Maryland. Syracuse and Pitt also prop up the basketball side of the equation, allowing the conference to maintain its basketball reputation.
Adding Syracuse and Pittsburgh and moving to a 14-team conference could also allow the conference to redraw the divisional lines along geographic north-south lines (that actually make sense), with Syracuse and Pittsburgh joining BC, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech and one of the Carolina schools in an ACC North Division, while the other three Carolina schools, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State and Miami would comprise an ACC South. I'd say it's probably less important now that the ACC Championship Game be set up to be an annual FSU-Miami rematch, wouldn't you?
ACC North: Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Maryland, Virginia Tech, Virginia, N.C. State
ACC South: Florida State, Miami (Florida), Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest
Or the conference could swap Miami for Wake Forest, making an ACC North Division comprised of five former Big East programs along with Maryland and Virginia and the South Division comprised of the five Carolina schools, Georgia Tech and Florida State.
ACC Old Big East: Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Maryland, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami (Florida)
ACC Old ACC: Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest
Either way.
The other question that immediately comes to mind is would the ACC stop at 14 or would they attempt to become the first to 16? With all this talk about the ACC pods, could Texas and a Big 12 running mate like Texas Tech or Kansas make 16 to next in line to join the ACC? Also don't rule out the two biggest fish in the conference expansion pond -- Texas and Notre Dame -- joining the conference as non-football playing members, especially if the Big East implodes and the Irish are left with a conference like the Atlantic 10 as its best option to house its basketball and Olympic sports.
As always, stay tuned.
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Early morning scoop
I hope u r up early b/c you are headed out fishing on a Saturday morn!
But great story. We at BC would luv this to happen!!! North v south. Yes!!!
by waterwater on Sep 17, 2011 7:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
14 is the new 12?
Obviously love this, even if any ACC expansion doesn’t include Texas.
ACC (14) adds Syracuse and Pittsburgh
SEC (14) adds Texas A&M and West Virginia
PAC (14) adds Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
Big East (12) adds Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Texas Tech
B1G (12) unchanged
Big East becomes …
East: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Iowa State, Louisville, Rutgers, South Florida
West: Baylor Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, TCU, Texas Tech
Texas goes football independent, and both Texas and Notre Dame (!) move their non-rev sports to the ACC.
Editor, BC Interruption
This gives the ACC and SEC one more season-ending rivalry game – Pitt vs. West Virginia – to go along with FSU-Florida State, Clemson-South Carolina, Georgia Tech-Georgia and Wake Forest-Vanderbilt.
Plus have BC-Syracuse, Duke-North Carolina, N.C. State-Maryland and Virginia-Virginia Tech play on the final regular season weekend, and you have a pretty awesome slate of games for the final weekend.
Miami? We’ll give them USF on the final weekend.
Editor, BC Interruption
The ACC schedule makers have actually made this happen quite often. Maryland has finished with:
- N.C. State four times
- Boston College twice
- Wake Forest once
Us ACC folk without a permanent rival game to end the season gotta stick together.
Editor, BC Interruption
wouldn't be more practical for what's left of BE football to join the B12
rather than the reverse, and get rid of the hybrid albatross that way?
Where there's smoke ...
“The Atlantic Coast Conference has been approached by at least 10 schools about possible membership, a group that includes the Big East’s Pitt and Syracuse, both of which have tendered letters of application, a high-ranking ACC official said Saturday morning.
In addition, amid a “fluid landscape” in conference alignment, the ACC presidents have unanimously approved to increase the buyout for schools to leave the conference from $10 million-$13 million to $20 million, the source said, making it a highly unlikely scenario that any ACC teams defect from the conference."
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6980644/pitt-syracuse-apply-join-acc-ranks-source-says
Editor, BC Interruption
Big12 will survive
ACC (14) adds Syracuse and Pittsburgh
SEC (14) adds Texas A&M and West Virginia
PAC (14) adds Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
Big 12 (12) adds remaining Big East teams including Cincy, UConn, Louisville, Rutgers, South Florida along with SMU
B1G (13) adds Missouri
Big 12 becomes …
East: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Iowa State, Louisville, Rutgers, South Florida
West: Kansas, Kansas State, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor
Texas goes independent but plays Big12 in conf for non-football
Notre Dame independent but plays Big12 in conf for non-football as they do today in Big East.
ACC to 14 = 16 team super conferences
ACC wont hold at 14. None of the conferences want 14, its a headache with scheduling and offers no options. Either 2 8 team divisions or 4 4 team pods.
ACC is reportedly interested in Texas and Kansas as 15 and 16 (tech is not in the equation).
I can tell you this, KU will never go to the Big East at this point. Pac 12, ACC or B1G are their options and with ACC possibly taking the two big East coast teams the B1G was after in Pitt and Cuse (for the markets), B1G may jump on KU/Mizzou (which is preferable to both for travel purposes) before it gets nothing of value.
NO one will stay at 14 though, I am 100% positive of that. 14 sucks for scheduling and divisional breakdowns.
Oops
Forgot to add the link about KU/UT interest
http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2011/sep/17/realignment-today-what-acc-expansion-tal/
Matt Tait is pretty connected as far as who he is talking to. Hes the “Chip Brown” for KU and doesn’t report falsehoods, just what he has heard.

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