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Conference Realignment: Oklahoma To Decide Nation's Fate On Monday?

The head of the Big 12 board of directors, University of Missouri chancellor Brady Denton, says that while his school and others continue to work towards keeping the Big 12 gang together, the conference's life is in Oklahoma's hands, dude.

"It's changing all the time ... Our position is we're waiting to see what the rest of the conference does, particularly Oklahoma.

[snip]

"[Missouri athletic director Mike] Alden just said it's up in the air ... that we're waiting on Oklahoma. There weren't even any questions. I was kind of surprised."

Thankfully, we might not be waiting for long, as Oklahoma's board of regents are scheduled to discuss the university's conference affiliation at a meeting on Monday:

"The school's board of regents has posted the agenda for Monday's meeting. It's a single paragraph that says the board will consider switching conference affiliation, and any legal ramifications of such a move.

The agenda says the regents may discuss the topic behind closed doors and "take any appropriate action."

Oklahoma president David Boren told reporters on September 2 that he didn't think that this was something that was going to linger for more than a few weeks. So if Oklahoma does decide to head west along with in-state rival Oklahoma State, the death knell of the Big 12 may set off another round of conference musical chairs that ultimately impacts Boston College. And when the dust settles, Manhattan, Kansas could be East, Stillwater, Oklahoma "Pacific," Austin could be an ACC town and Iowa State ... poor, poor Iowa State.

Meanwhile, in other realignment news, Florida State is taking a proactive stance with respect to realignment, with FSU's chairman of the board of trustees Andy Haggard stating the school has begun forming a committee that will explore the university's options. As a relative outsider looking in, I do not believe Florida State is atop the short list of possible SEC expansion candidates. I believe that there is in fact a "Gentlemen's Agreement" in place, and I think that Auburn and Alabama would also be opposed to adding Florida State as number 14. Further, Texas A&M's inclusion in the conference wasn't unanimous either (10-2) so there's clearly some opposition to expansion in the first place. Things change, however, if Slive and the SEC want 16, then I think Florida State becomes part of the SEC expansion plan.

Tomahawk Nation has a handy Florida State Conference Realignment FAQ, though they lost me when they start talking about the Seminoles as a possible Big Ten target.

I do believe Florida State is the only ACC school that would accept an invitation to join the SEC. Virginia Tech isn't going anywhere and the SEC is not prying North Carolina away from the ACC, either. Academics matter to University presidents and chancellors and I believe there's little chance that North Carolina is walking away from rivalries with Duke, N.C. State, Wake Forest and Virginia, as well as from the highest ranked BCS conference academically, according to USN&WR's latest 'Best Colleges' rankings.

However, if Florida State officials feel that the Texas-to-the-ACC talk is more than just the Longhorns creating leverage with the Pac-12 for a possible move out west, FSU would be insane to leave the conference, as the ACC would become one of the biggest winners of this round of realignment. A conference without Florida State though changes the calculus for Texas and for any other Big 12 programs looking to find safe harbor in the ACC.

Star-divide

Meanwhile, back in the ACC, Kirk Bohls of the Austin American-Statesman sees Texas-Duke basketball, Texas-Miami baseball and Texas-Florida State in football and thinks that the Longhorns in the ACC might actually work. If Texas does take its talents to South Beach the Atlantic Coast and the conference moves to the pods, Bring On The Cats reminds us that we mustn't forget about Kansas State:

"This clearly is the most ideal outcome, but perhaps the least likely. We would maintain our football recruiting ties in Texas, but gain enormous basketball cachet in a conference with KU, Duke and North Carolina.

In addition, our profile would rise with East Coast exposure and more games on ESPN. Stability? The ACC would be the clear winner in realignment by adding Texas - only the Big Ten could match that by adding Notre Dame.

The other pods likely would be Clemson-Florida State-Georgia Tech-Miami, the four Carolina schools, and Boston College-Maryland-Virginia-Virginia Tech."

As a representative of the ACC's northernmost program, I'm clearly biased, but I think that if the ACC does in fact move to 16 and the pods, I would still prefer that the ACC expand to Texas and a Big 12 dancing partner of Bevo's choosing and two current Big East programs over a Big 12 foursome.

To be clear, I understand the appeal of adding both Kansas and Missouri. And Kansas State? Well, they'd simply be along for the ride. If the ACC adds Texas, Missouri, Kansas and K-State, it would still be one of the biggest winners of expansion, adding some big TV markets -- Texas, St. Louis, Kansas City and Wichita -- and some quality programs. But I also think the ACC is currently in a much stronger position than others would have you believe, and think that adding two of the Big East's stronger programs along with Texas and Big 12 survivor #2 could be the type of move that:

1) makes your conference stronger at your rival conference's expense and
2) could cause the end of the Big East as a BCS AQ conference. 

If the ACC made another run at Syracuse (original ACC expansion candidate, etc. etc.) and one of Pittsburgh / Rutgers / Connecticut, that would likely be the end of the Big East as a viable BCS conference. Couple those moves with a move by West Virginia to the SEC -- my current pick for SEC #14 -- and the Big East would be left with only Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor and Missouri from the Big 12.

Weakening the conference you are most often compared to by poaching two of their stronger programs and pairing with Texas and Texas Tech seems like a much better play than adding four Big 12 schools and watching the Big East balloon to 12 football programs, 20 basketball programs and land a better TV contract.

Then again, all this speculation could be for naught if Boren and the Oklahoma board of regents decide to stick it out in the Big 12 on Monday, and put a realistic plan in place to get the Big 12 back to a number of programs consistent with its namesake.

As always, stay tuned.

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…and the only part I can find to disagree with you is that I consider Mizzou to be the 14th SEC school, with WFV ending up there after the Big East falls apart thanks to Cuse and Pitt/Rut (not UConn) ending up in the Northern Division of the ACC.

I’m begging and pleading for Texas. Yeah, I know, it’s sad.

The glass half full guy at Heights and Lows.

by bcheights on Sep 16, 2011 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree

Missouri is just as likely as West Virginia. Perhaps I’m overestimating Oliver Luck’s desire to get the hell out of Dodge.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

One Problem

THe only problem with going after 2 big 12 teams and 2 big east teams is that your pods are not going to be regional.

“But I also think the ACC is currently in a much stronger position than others would have you believe, and think that adding two of the Big East’s stronger programs along with Texas and Big 12 survivor #2 could be the type of move that:”

You have no clear “West” pod with Texas and #2 in this scenario. Either take 4 Big East teams or 4 Big 12 teams. Since Texas is the only one that is going to give the ACC a substantial increase in money, best to look at 4 Big 12 teams.

by RC in Texas on Sep 16, 2011 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Meh. It’s ok for “North” to be BC/Maryland/Virginia/VT but “West” can’t be Texas/Kansas/Clemson/GT? (I know, that isn’t how it’d work, but just saying).

The glass half full guy at Heights and Lows.

by bcheights on Sep 16, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

B1G

Also not split geographically. Things seem to be going pretty OK for those guys.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wisconsin is the only real outlier

And it’s their first season with divisions. It’s much too soon to call Legends and Leaders a success.

Besides, either the Big Ten divisions will change or the Ohio State/Michigan game will be moved from the regular season finale; after the first time they play in consecutive weeks (and this will happen; it would have happened multiple times in the last decade going by Big Ten records).

by drothgery on Sep 16, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wisconsin the only outlier?

Northwestern and the Michigan schools aren’t placed correctly either. B1G should have been:

B1G West: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
B1G East: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State

Leave Ohio State-Michigan for the end of the year. The history between those two schools and the importance of the regular season matchup would have meant much more if they were placed in the same division.

The B1G Championship Game then is Nebraska or Wisconsin vs. Michigan, Penn State or Ohio State.

B1G should have looked to the ACC for what NOT to do when it comes to trying to split the conference along competitive lines and attempting to engineer a Championship Game between its perceived two strongest programs (Florida State and Miami). Hasn’t worked out so well, has it?

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Non-geographical divisions

This clearly didn’t stop the ACC the first time around, as the conference foolishly split Florida State and Miami, banking on an ACC Championship Game rematch that never materialized (and probably never will).

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a fan of adding UCONN or Rutgers

Don’t think they add anything to the conference that it doesn’t already have. I know very little of either school, outside of UCONN being good at basketball and them having a one year wonder in baseball. Rutgers brings nothing. I think that the Texas to the ACC is a rouse, probably for them to get what they want in another conference, and I’d rather see football crazed schools WVU, ECU with Pitt and Cuse as the other four added.

Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano

by AParker on Sep 16, 2011 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

You'd rather see ECU?

…really? Look, I think it’d be hysterical to leave UConn out, but even, in all of my “still bitter they sued us” hatred, can’t imagine how ECU would qualify over Rutgers or Storrs.

The glass half full guy at Heights and Lows.

by bcheights on Sep 16, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm biased

And a North Carolina native, so I know that pretty makes your opinion of me fall. But I don’t see the difference that having Rutgets or UCONN would bring to the conference. I’m no Carlton Toudor, spouting off idiotic nonsense; but I just don’t see it. ECU has a large student body, alumni base, and regional supporters. Being located in Greenville, NC, which is off I-95, a good bit of those people above come from Va, Md, Penn, NJ. To me I see this, and go, they will have fans that will travel, bring in local money, create regional buzz, and which could eventually (though seemingly far fetched) bring in national exposure. I don’t see having Rutgers or UCONN being able to do any of this (though I could be very wrong), outside of being very good regional rivals BC. I admit I know nothing about either schools reach or alumni base, and I haven’t seen them in person to get a good feel. Just my thoughts

Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano

by AParker on Sep 16, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

East Carolina

… is not going anywhere. The BCS will look out for the BCS first and foremost, which is why the Big East is more than willing to scoop up the Big 12 leftovers over expanding by dipping back into Conference USA for East Carolina, UCF or Houston, or picking up Army and Navy.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Big plus in Rutgers favor

If it’s between Uconn and them in that NJ is a serious football recruiting territory. Where would BC football (and PSU for that matter) be without the Garden St.? It;d be good to have an imperative to have to recruit well there again – we’ve been lacking lately.

by Lothar17 on Sep 16, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Connecticut is a college football recruiting wasteland in comparison.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 1:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Re: FSU and the SEC: the "Gentlemens Agreement" is Urban Legend.

FACT: The SEC already had agreed to accept FSU in 1990. So why would there be a hang up now. Everybody always ignores that little tidbit.

But I think FSU would prefer to stay in the ACC if possible. Thank goodness the powers that be aren’t going to merely accept watching from the sidelines and trust Swofford to make the best arrangements he can.

by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 16, 2011 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

1990 and 2011

A lot has changed between now and then, no?

I still very much doubt Florida, Georgia and South Carolina want any part of Florida State, Georgia Tech or Clemson, respectively, in the conference. I also don’t think that Alabama or Auburn are keen on the idea as they battle the Noles for local recruits.

Also, FACT: Texas A&M to the SEC was a 10-2 vote. Which two schools were the “no” votes? If A&M to the SEC wasn’t a slam dunk, with the nation’s best conference pillaging Texas’ fertile recruiting grounds for the price of picking up a second tier Big 12 football program, I doubt FSU is.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree

Adding FSU to the SEC is putting yeat another big fish into a comparatively small pond. Other fish would (wisely) oppose this. SEC has plenty of football strength. It needs markets (hence, A&M). I’d put my money on Missouri over WVU for this reason. Pittsburgh might be in the discussion too.

Because I also agree the ACC is stronger than people think, I think people are under-estimating the chances of a wildcard selection by the SEC. ECU and New Mexico each make some sense if the SEC is taking a long view (and given its TV contract, it might be).

by CSOM_97 on Sep 16, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sold on ECU or New Mexico

As many people have written, the SEC’s decision on #14 won’t be made on a whim and is instead a “100-year decision” (read: 20-year decision). They are clearly operating from a position of strength and I can’t see Slive taking fliers out on either East Carolina or New Mexico.

If you want East Carolina, I think that N.C. State could be convinced if the price is right.
New Mexico? There will be plenty of other Big 12 leftovers if OU does blow it up.

That said, I do agree that SEC’s options are much more limited than everyone would have you believe. Once you take the “Gentlemen’s Agreement” teams off the table — Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech — and assume that the SEC won’t coax another ACC team away (a la Virginia Tech, which I do believe won’t happen) … you are left with only a few options:

1) A Big 12 leftover — Missouri, Kansas, Texas Tech (double dip into the Lone Star State)
2) A Big East program — West Virginia, Louisville, TCU, Pittsburgh
3) A Conference USA program — East Carolina, UCF

None of those programs is a slam dunk wrt markets and college sports cache.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not either, but you can make a logical case

Both North Carolina and New Mexico are growing faster than the country as a whole. New Mexico in particular would give you dominance of the entire state’s tv market.

Both are geographically contiguous with the SEC’s 13 team markets.

New Mexico gives you greater scheduling flexibility for evening/nightime television slots, and the only team negatively impacted by the time difference for broadcasting would be New Mexico, who won’t give one rat’s ass.

I assume, as most do, that the candidate will come from the more obvious less risky selections. But 15 years from now, I think either of these two schools could add some dollars in the new TV negotiations.

by CSOM_97 on Sep 16, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I buy entry into the North Carolina market

But I just don’t see any appeal to New Mexico. Sure they are growing fast, but a high growth state with a small total state population? Plus New Mexico is an extremely poor state.

If you want high growth in an attractive market, skip two states and pick up UNLV.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

you're probably right of course

One thing the SEC does have going for it is the geographic connectedness of its markets. No gaps at all. I think there is actually some value in that, which again supports Missouri or WVU (or someone in NC if they could get them)

by CSOM_97 on Sep 16, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Geographical connectedness is definitely part of what makes SEC (football) so valuable, especially wrt HS football recruiting. Better recruits, better product on the field, the more people outside of the Southeast tune in.

It’s certainly not in the size of the TV markets or the affluence of the region.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If the SEC wants to increase revenue, FSU is a great addition.

No votes could easily be both MS schools, Vandy or UK. All of those schools seem poised to drop down one spot in the pecking order if A&M came along.

I don’t think the “gentleman’s agreement” makes any sense because the SEC would have to be stupid to add either Clemson OR GT imo. Neither of those schools have a national following (FSU does, not “fans” but a national interest). Neither has been competing for a national title in 20-30 years (FSU has, although it’s been 10 years). Both are arguably the #2 school in much smaller states than Florida. FSU is the only non-VT and maybe NC State school that makes sense for the SEC imo. Please, don’t talk about “markets”, either (I don’t mean you specifically).

I don’t know what the SEC will do or who they will offer, just who I think makes sense if they want to increase revenue to get on the Big Ten/Pac 12’s level. Also, Texas joining the ACC does NOT guarantee FSU sticking around in the conference were the SEC to show us interest. If Texas doesn’t get a good set of partners then I’d be worried about them leaving the conference in 5-10 years to rejoin OU/A&M. If it were Texas AND OU to join the ACC then I’d feel much more comfortable about the stability of the conference. If OU was not also invited I’d be leery. It’s not even about money, but moreso concern over Texas’ loyalty without a major rival of theirs to bring in as well. I’m not even sure if bringing in Texas, Tech, Kansas and Mizzou would be enough to calm my worries.

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by tricknole on Sep 16, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure the SEC is doing OK on the whole “competing for national championships” thing. They don’t need Florida State. Don’t discount the fact that these University presidents and chancellors are extremely proud individuals that would much rather see their school win National Championships instead of Florida State bringing titles to the conference.

I’m fairly convinced that the SEC’s #14 will a) not be a powerhouse football program and b) will open up a new market in a state that is adjacent to a current SEC member. Basically, Missouri or West Virginia.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying they need FSU to compete for national titles or that without FSU as #14 the conference will collapse.

Just that IF the Big Ten and Pac 12 go beyond 12 members that the SEC may very well likely need to add FSU to keep pace. Just depends on where OU, UT and ND go. If none go to the SEC the SEC will probably need another national program to match.

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by tricknole on Sep 16, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSU to the B1G Ten???

Their closest away game would be Ohio St.?? That would kill the non-revenue sports.

by Wisconsineagle on Sep 16, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Florida State to the B1G makes little sense. Adding Florida State as a way of coaxing Notre Dame to join up though …

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unless FSU gets an instant AAU invite...

…it’s not going to the Big Ten, which was burned in the Nebraska fiasco and would only relax that requirement for Notre Dame.

by vp19 on Sep 16, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Big Ten knew what it was getting

NU was on probation in the AAU when they were accepted. All the Big Ten Presidents knew they were circling the drain. Heck, a few voted to kick NU out.

The AAU hurdle isn’t too high if you add enough football value. If you’re a top 100 school with a little research, they’ll let it slide.

by Gopher86 on Sep 16, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Big Ten would only have interest in FSU under specific circumstances, I think.

And those circumstances would involve both OU and Texas finding new conferences and neither ending up in the Big Ten. At that point I think the Big Ten would HAVE to show SOME interest in FSU. But by no means do I think an invitation would be likely to happen. Obviously they would still have ND to invite but after ND who would be the best “national” team for any conference to invite if OU and UT are off the board? I would think FSU but perhaps I’m biased. Curious what you folks think. Are you a Minnesota fan?

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by tricknole on Sep 16, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Florida State doesn’t offer much to the B1G under its current configuration. Tallahassee is a tiny market, and Delany would have to be convinced that he could get BTN carriage on stations in Tampa and Miami. I’m not sure it’s as simple as adding FSU to gain all those households.

The B1G doesn’t need FSU to open up the Florida recruiting pipeline. I’m pretty sure that’s already well established and planes still fly routes from Chicago, Detroit and the north to Florida cities.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if FSU alone doesn't land those markets, you don't think FSU + Big Ten alumni land Tampa/Orlando/Miami?

I didn’t mention recruiting, I don’t think. And as I said I don’t think an invitation/acceptance would be likely even if all the other top choices for expansion were removed.

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by tricknole on Sep 16, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

How interesting....FSU as SEC #14

OMG!!! The FSU folks must have read my mind and went and formed a committee to contemplate becoming SEC #14. Whoa!!.

So maybe my other suggestion — USF as ACC #12 — is gaining some credibility

BCI bashers: it is not to late to get behind this winning idea. ACC needs a real FLORIDA connection and the U is not and never has been that FLORIDA hook. If FSU bolts, USF is the ACC’s best option to keep a meaningful FLORIDA connection.

by #)&!*$&( on Sep 16, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I actually think UCF is an equal option.

Has an on-campus stadium, brand new 9K-ish basketball arena and also an indoor football facility. Larger enrollment. Little better freshman stats (academics mean squat in terms of revenue imo but the ACC seems to like it). Either would be solid options at a foothold in the Florida market.

As long as FSU is in the ACC I hope we support neither though.

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by tricknole on Sep 16, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

Equally unlikely options

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who comes with Texas?

I think Syracuse and Pitt would be hard pressed to pass up an offer from the ACC if Texas joins. K-State doesn’t have the atheltics, but Kansas seems to be a basketball school at heart, so possibly the ACC invites them to come along with Texas, or would the Big 1G come calling? Missouri would fit better regionally with the ACC, but I see the Big 1G picking them up as a natural fit. Rutgers brings NYC, but I think Syracuse brings that market into the fold too. Notre Dame would be able to keep its TV deals if it joined the ACC and they would fit in perfectly with the private schools already in the ACC, but the Big 1G would be crazy not to pick them up.

….now I’m waiting for rumors of the ACC raiding the SEC for Vandy and Kentucky so it can assert themselves as the #1 basketball conference, and give both of the schools a chance to possibly be able to compete for a football conference championship….

by Haak on Sep 16, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I fully support Vanderbilt and Kentucky bolting for the ACC, but just don’t see that happening. Indeed, the resulting pods would be pretty awesome. Best college basketball in the land IMO.

Pod 1: Boston College, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Pod 2: North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest, Duke
Pod 3: Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Texas, Kansas
Pod 4: Florida State, Miami, Clemson, Georgia Tech

SEC becomes:

SEC East: Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn, West Virginia, Louisville
SEC West: Alabama, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, LSU, Missouri, Texas A&M

Pipe dreams are fun.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would either Vandy or UK leave?

Am I missing something?

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by tricknole on Sep 16, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, you missed the following comment: “Pipe dreams are fun.”

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA, good call. My bad.

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by tricknole on Sep 16, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who comes with Texas? Three Big 12 emigres...

…and no one else. UT doesn’t want to be isolated from all 15 other prospective conference rivals. So forget Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Connecticut, Rutgers, etc.

Who those three from the Big 12 are remains to be seen; much will depend upon whether Missouri goes to the SEC, Oklahoma and Okie State head west and who Scott chooses as their two partners.

I could see a situation where, because of the Baylor lawsuit, Swofford, Slive and Scott agree to take in all nine remaining Big 12 members, thus making any suit moot:

SEC takes in Missouri.
Pac picks up Oklahoma, Okie State, Kansas and K-State.
ACC adds Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor and Iowa State.

This wouldn’t be an optimal situation for the ACC, which would want Kansas for its basketball brand and close ties to North Carolina and other conference schools. However, it might be the only feasible way to get everyone in the Big 12 a BCS home.

by vp19 on Sep 16, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pac-16 isn’t guaranteed. Could very well just be a Pac-14 with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, unless Scott puts the kibosh on any Pac expansion. Then, your above scenario becomes:

SEC (14) takes in Texas A&M and Missouri
PAC (14) takes in Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
ACC (14) adds Texas and Texas Tech
Big East (14) adds Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor and Iowa State, and promotes Villanova

B1G holds at 12 and continues to wait out Notre Dame. 14 becomes the new equilibrium.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ACC then gets to tweak its current divisional alignment

By swapping Boston College and Georgia Tech — which they should have done in the first place — and placing Texas Tech in the current “Atlantic” Division and Texas in the “Coastal.” New divisions look like this:

A: Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Maryland, N.C. State, Wake Forest, Texas Tech
C: Miami, Boston College, Virginia Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Texas

Protected cross-overs become: Florida State-Miami, Clemson-Boston College, Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech, Maryland-Virginia, N.C. State-North Carolina, Wake Forest-Duke and Texas Tech-Texas.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Setting up the possibility of an annual Texas-Florida State ACC Championship Game

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeesh. You have to feel for whatever division gets TTU instead of UT.

by Gopher86 on Sep 16, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

UT goes to the non-Florida State division, natch.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kinda love the 14-team model

ACC A: Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Maryland, N.C. State, Wake Forest, Texas Tech
ACC C: Miami, Boston College, Virginia Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Texas

Big East East: Connecticut, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Rutgers, Villanova, South Florida
Big East West: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, TCU, Cincinnati

SEC West: Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Missouri, Texas A&M
SEC East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pac-14

The PAC moves to the zipper:

PAC-14 Zipper A: Washington, UCLA, Oregon, Cal, Arizona, Colorado, Oklahoma
PAC-14 Zipper B: Washington State, USC, Oregon State, Stanford, Arizona State, Utah, Oklahoma State

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

B1G

Legends and Leaders stay the same.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll buy Texas getting to bring one useless friend only

I do not see the ACC taking TT, Baylor, AND Iowa St to just get Texas. NFW

Missouri and Kansas, sure. I’ll even buy Texas, TT, Kansas and KState (or Baylor).

by CSOM_97 on Sep 16, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I see the ACC taking Texas Tech if it means Texas.

There are very few scenarios where I see the ACC taking Iowa State, Kansas State or Baylor.

by Brian Favat on Sep 16, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

UT will want to bring as many friends as possible

More games in Texas, favorable voting block, LHN carriage, etc. The ACC should limit it to two total teams, but UT will want two or three friends.

TTU makes the most sense for eyeballs and political hurdles (saving a public school vs. a private will always be more favorable).

UT, TTU, MU & KU — 3 AAU schools, 1 football power, 2 decent football teams and one bad one. STL, KC, Dallas, Austin and ownership of most of central, north and west Texas. The two Florida, two Texas school look is great for recruiting, eye balls, population growth and regional balance. Having only two Texas schools also diminishes UT’s voting power (KU & MU aren’t their fiefs). Two built in rivalries, too.

by Gopher86 on Sep 16, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the ACC would have to make it 3 teams or otherwise you risk the chance of Texas leaving in the conference in the future.

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by tricknole on Sep 16, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless the two are OU/UT.

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by tricknole on Sep 16, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about no one?

Texas to the ACC, FSU to the SEC. Simple. Granted, it violates the “gentelemen’s agreement”.

by drothgery on Sep 16, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes the ACC less stable than it already is imo.

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by tricknole on Sep 16, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boomer Schooner

There was only one thing funnier than the Boomer Schooner having an unsportsmanlike penalty for excessive celebration and that was the band marching on the field during a kick return in the Cal-Stanford game.

by JBQ on Sep 16, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Serious or sarcasm?

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by tricknole on Sep 16, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heavy sarcasm

CBS Sports is reporting that Pitt and Cuse have applied to the ACC.

by Gopher86 on Sep 17, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love it

Slam dunk.

The Big East is dead.

by Brian Favat on Sep 17, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it actually hapens, BE football is dead

The Big East will still be around (and may even expand), as what the A10, MVC, and WCC want to be when they grow up.

by drothgery on Sep 17, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rephrased

Big East football is dead. May have some life if the rest join up with the Big 12 leftovers.

by Brian Favat on Sep 17, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently

The Big East commish found out when he was in the Maryland press box. There isn’t a rule that conference members have to inform the commish that they’re applying to another conference. Comical.

Another nice little nugget— the Big East Executive committee put the breaks on the ESPN deal this summer. The Exec. Committee Chairman? Pitt’s Chancellor. My guess is the league’s half measures with getting to 12 teams was what had them looking for an exit.

by Gopher86 on Sep 17, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

Pitt has made it repeatedly clear the Big East needed to get to 12, else the school was gone. I think West Virginia also has one foot out the door, and is SEC bound.

by Brian Favat on Sep 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

An ACC expansion in Texas?

First people aren’t realizing that Texas by itself is also good for Texas and they can afford that travel, do not doubt. Exposure to 3 new former big east markets would be really nice for them.

As for regional rivalries? That is what OOC games are for.

If there is some Pod of Texas tag alongs putting anything below FSU and NC State in academic rankings is unacceptable on many levels. That would rule out K-State, I-State (What the heck are we talking about them for anyways?) and Texas Tech.

Baylor though, would be a good ACC fit in that regard. They don’t offer much in any TV contract look-in but neither do those awful schools. TTU should work at tagging along with the Oklahoma’s west, or really I don’t care what becomes of them. Houston fell off the map with the death of the SWC TTU can too. If Texas needs a few old friends from out west that WOULD fit in our conference academically how about (don’t laugh) Rice. With ACC money they could upgrade facilities rapidly and they are well endowed finacially if they want to dip into that. They have rather comparable facilites to other ACC teams already really. After that my fourth choice (or rather my first choice) is Kansas which does offer more than the other two could. Two more Private schools in the conference couldn’t hurt.

by FSU_Ben on Sep 16, 2011 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I forgot to mention...

Baylor

So Baylor/Rice/Kansas/Texas

My preference is Rutgers/Uconn/Syracuse/Texas though.

Don’t underestimate the value of killing off the Big East.

by FSU_Ben on Sep 16, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Killing off the Big East was my point. Looks like the conference is set on doing just that.

by Brian Favat on Sep 17, 2011 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you look at the rankings

Baylor isn’t that great of a school. You have to keep in mind their medical school isn’t associated with the University.

Also, Iowa State, though a non sequitur, is a very good school. It’s AAU.

It makes more sense for the ACC to assert its claim as the de facto East Coast school, rather than spread itself out over the country. Schools like TTU, KU and MU may add more value by themselves, but Pitt and Cuse fit better as a long term strategy.

by Gopher86 on Sep 17, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know you keep harping on AAU, but it’s not that big of a deal for the ACC.

by Brian Favat on Sep 17, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

They will have a go of it in the new look Big 12 East.

by Brian Favat on Sep 17, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baylor or TTU?

Lubbock is a ****hole and pretty far for those ACC schools to travel.

The pod would be UT, Clemson, and Ga Tech along with UT’s friend. I honestly think Baylor is a better fit, but if UT has its way, they probably take Tech with them, so all the “Techs” end up in the ACC.

Then the SEC scoops WVU, Mizzou, and Cincinnati down the road for a 16 team split.

I think KU/KSU join OU out west.

Then the B1G…. Rutgers is AAU, so if they get in Iowa St can get in since there would be no one left to take. ND/UConn could give the B1G 16. All contingent on ND joining down the line.

Give the super conferences 2 auto bids, give the MAC/MWC/Conf USA one bid each. Drop the WAC/Sun Belt from D-1A, and take at-large teams to round out a 16 team playoff.

by fatty_tonie on Sep 17, 2011 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

The rumor is that the ACC said “thanks, but no need for an application” to Texas Tech.

by Brian Favat on Sep 17, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Temporary equilibrium

PAC-12 (14) adds Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
ACC (14) adds Syracuse, Pittsburgh
SEC (14) adds Texas A&M, West Virginia
B1G holds at 12

Rest of Big 12 – Texas merges with rest of Big East, creating a conference of:

Baylor
Texas Tech
TCU
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State

Connecticut
Rutgers
Cincinnati
Louisville
South Florida
Villanova OR Central Florida

The only hope the Big East football schools have in surviving is to break away from the basketball-only members and join an all-sports conference with the Big 12’s remains.

by Brian Favat on Sep 17, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Texas goes independent for football. Both Texas and Notre Dame move all other sports to the merged Big 12 / Big East.

by Brian Favat on Sep 17, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

OU needs to be in the Big 10

The Big 10 needs to add OU, OSU, Texas and Notre Dame. Think about it if they had Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Nebraska, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State and Wisconsin in the same conference who could match that? That would be a real big 10 and then they also would have the other 6 teams. Think about that. The best super conference around.

by Sooners711 on Sep 19, 2011 12:28 AM EDT reply actions  

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