Why It Will Take More Than Money To Lure Boston College Back To The Big East
One of the more interesting parts of Gene DeFilippo's Q&A in the 2011 Boston College Athletics Annual Report was the rationale behind the move to the Atlantic Coast Conference. In GDF's answer lie some of the reasons why the Big East will need to do more than throw extra cash at BC if it ever wants to successfully lure back the Eagles.
Here are four non "You sued us ... wahhh!" reasons as to why it'll take more than a few million to successfully lure Boston College back to the Big East in our AD's own words.
Reason #1: Eastern football was changing with or without Boston College
"For example, moving to the Atlantic Coast Conference was definitely what was best for Boston College. After Penn State went to the Big Ten, and Virginia Tech and Miami left the Big East to move to the ACC, eastern football was never going to be the same, and in order to protect our football program, we felt it was very important to join the Atlantic Coast Conference."
This first point is one that if often overlooked by our frenemies left back in the Big East so I will bold here for emphasis: Big East football was changing with or without Boston College. The post-ACC raided Big East football conference included programs left behind in expansion (Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Rutgers), a freshly hatched Division I-A program (UConn) and programs scooped up from Conference USA (Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida). The basketball side of the conference expanded even further to include DePaul and Marquette. With football teams in Louisville and Cincinnati and hoops teams in Chicago and Milwaukee, the notion of any sort of all-sports Eastern league had pretty much been thrown out the window by 2003.
Fast forward to present day, where TCU will join the fold in 2012 and there's talk of the Big East patiently waiting for the Big 12 to implode to scoop up Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri, and it's clear that the conference is on thin ice and provides zero long-term stability. In order to protect the school's investment in big time college football, it was clear back then -- and still is clear -- that the Big East is first and foremost a conference run by a bunch of dudes from basketball-only schools who don't know the first thing about running a BCS college football conference. Why else would you run off the one school that kept you relevant on the national stage (Miami)?
So unless Marinatto plans on using Pac-12 like money to get the old gang back together (e.g. Penn State, Boston College) and boots the basketball-only members who provide little to no value #BootDePaul, the Big East will continue to be an unattractive amalgamation of schools that share little in the way of common values or geography.
Reason #2: Academics are better in the ACC. Way better.
"Other reasons we made that move is that we want to be in a conference with schools that have a similar academic mission. Six of the 12 institutions in the ACC are in the top 34 schools in the country, according to US News & World Report. They are Boston College, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest and Georgia Tech, and you're known by the people you're aligned with."
The academics part of the equation are important in a way that you'll never be able to explain to a West Virginia or Central Florida grad. But here DeFilippo puts it in terms even a Mountaineer or Gator-Knight can understand: "you're known by the people you're aligned with." College football is about much more than simply wins and losses on the gridiron. College football is also one of a university's best vehicles to market itself in order to attract the best and the brightest students from around the country. There is and always will be loads more money in bettering your academic reputation, becoming more selective as an institution and producing higher quality graduates than there is from BCS bowl game payouts and the NCAA basketball tournament.
As a result, GDF wants the school to be associated with high ranking academic schools. Specifically those top five schools that he names in the above quote -- Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest and Georgia Tech. While there are some fine academic basketball-only schools in the Big East, all five of those schools, BC and Miami are all ranked higher than the top ranked football member of the Big East -- Syracuse.
Even the lowest rated ACC school, North Carolina State University, is ranked higher than four of the Big East football members -- Cincinnati (156), Louisville (176), West Virginia (176), South Florida (183).
If you add the basketball-only schools into the mix, Notre Dame (19) and Georgetown (21) marginally improve things, but the other Big East members Marquette (75), TCU (99), DePaul (136), Seton Hall (136) and St. John's (143) bring down the conference's overall average. Two schools -- Villanova and Providence -- just miss USN&WR's National Universities rankings, placing 1st and 2nd in the north's Regional University rankings.
2011 USN&WR rankings for the ACC and Big East
| Rank | ACC | Rank | Big East |
|---|---|---|---|
| 9 | Duke University | 19 | University of Notre Dame |
| 25 | University of Virginia | 21 | Georgetown University |
| 25 | Wake Forest University | 55 | Syracuse University |
| 30 | University of North Carolina | 64 | University of Pittsburgh |
| 31 | Boston College | 64 | Rutgers University |
| 35 | Georgia Institute of Technology | 69 | University of Connecticut |
| 47 | University of Miami | 75 | Marquette University |
| 56 | University of Maryland | 99 | Texas Christian University |
| 67 | Clemson University | 136 | Depaul University |
| 69 | Virginia Polytechnic Institute | 136 | Seton Hall University |
| 104 | Florida State University | 143 | St. John's University |
| 111 | North Carolina State University | 156 | University of Cincinnati |
| 176 | University of Louisville | ||
| 176 | West Virginia University | ||
| 183 | University of South Florida | ||
| N/R | Villanova University | ||
| N/R | Providence College |
Think that it's folly to attach any importance to the college rankings of a new defunct magazine -- spoken like someone whose school likely didn't rank highly according to USN&WR. Both Forbes and ARWU paint a similar picture:
USN&WR average -- ACC 50.75, Big East 104.8 (VU and PC unranked)
Forbes averages -- ACC 178, Big East 301
ARWU averages -- ACC 67, Big East 79.8 (VU, PC, MU, TCU, DU, SHU, WVU, SJU and UL unranked)
Again, unless the Big East has expansion plans to bring Stanford, Northwestern and half the Ivy League into the fold, none of the Big East expansion candidates add anything to the conference academically.
Reason #3: Moving beyond the Northeast
"Another key reason for the school was that BC has done a very good job in recruiting students from the northeast corridor, from the Midwest, from California and other areas of the country, and we want to do as well in recruiting students from the southeast region of the country. That region is the fastest-growing area of our country, so the move to the ACC should help in that regard."
The national reach / exposure that the program receives in the ACC is very important to a private Catholic school like Boston College. It's also the reason why Notre Dame cherishes its football independence, why BYU is embarking on its own journey in football independence and why TCU will be onto its fourth conference since 1996 when the Frogs join the Big East. Notice anything in common with those schools? Smallish, private, religiously affiliated schools. Sound familiar?
The move to the ACC has allowed BC to open up recruiting pipelines in a growing part of the country as well as expand beyond our traditional New England / Northeast footprint. Playing in the Northeast (Syracuse, Rutgers, UConn) and the Rust Belt (Pitt, West Virginia) -- two portions of the country that are seeing big decreases to overall population over the last decade -- isn't exactly a boon to recruiting or admissions. In the ACC, BC can open up pipelines in the Southeast while maintaining ties to the Midwest (playing Notre Dame, Northwestern, MACrificial lambs) and the Northeast (playing Syracuse, Army and annual I-AA opponents such as New Hampshire, Maine, UMass). In short, the move has allowed a program like BC to move beyond being simply a Northeast private Catholic school and one that has reach up and down the eastern half of the country.
Reason #4: TV, name recognition and more exposure (see above)
"And then, the job of the Athletics Department is to provide name recognition and exposure for the institution. The new television package with the ACC will average about $155 million per year and provide us with many more TV appearances, meaning we have an opportunity to expose Boston College to a larger audience."
The ACC has a new TV deal with ESPN that averages $155 million per year for the next 12 years (read CSOM_97's excellent take on the ACC's TV contract in the comments section here). That averages out to $11.9 million / program / year (split 13 ways, with one share going to the ACC), though the payments are smaller in the beginning years.
Compare that to the Big East's current TV deal, a contract that expires in 2013 and is worth about $3 million for schools that play both football and basketball. The Big East also has a magical $19-23 million / program valuation and thinks that ESPN, NBCUniversal and Fox are going to drive up the value of UConn vs. Louisville Tuesday night college football. I'll believe it when I see it.
Even if the Big East lands a TV media rights deal much larger than the ACC's -- and on par with the Pac-12 and Big Ten -- the ACC has the advantage of having a shorter contract which is can renegotiate in 12 years and reset the market.
Regardless of whether the Big East gets its $20 million valuation with its next TV deal, it's already a moving target and as such an apples to oranges comparison. The ACC will have already cycled through two years of its 12 year deal with ESPN and will only have to wait another 10 before they can reset the market with the conference's next TV contract. It's unlikely that the Big East will sign a shorter deal than the ACC's 12 year (at that point, 10 year) deal. The ACC's contract also expires before the SEC's does allowing the conference to either reset the market or blaze new trails a la the Pac-12's plans for a digital network.
Besides, the Big East is talking like an extra $3 million / year alone will be enough to lure BC and Maryland away from the ACC to the Big East. Frankly, that's a rounding error / interest on the school's $1.48 billion dollar endowment, and does not factor in the instability that either Boston College or Maryland would be walking into in joining the Big East. That uncertainty -- the risk premium the Big East would need to pay -- would certainly have to be more than $3 million / year to make a move attractive for either program. Maryland, a founding member of the ACC, isn't going to trade in all of its existing rivalries to play in an unstable conference with plenty of basketball bloat and even worse football than the ACC. Similarly, BC isn't going to go crawling back hat in hand to the Big East for an extra $3 mil given all the reasons above.
In sum, unless the Big East plans on getting back to its eastern football league roots, improving academics, alleviating the instability inherent in the football/basketball divide and/or compensating a BC or Maryland for the inherent risk involved in moving from a stable situation in the ACC to the chaos and instability in the Big East, I don't think the conference has a prayer of luring Maryland and BC back to the conference.
It's a pipe dream, a bluff. John Marinatto thinks that he's holding all the cards when I really believe he's holding very few. BC and Maryland to the Big East won't be achieved simply by throwing a few extra mil at the ACC's two northernmost programs.
Queue more hate mail from Juno.com accounts in five, four, three, (motions the numbers two and one).
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All the right reasons
A small example here, but that goes to GDF’s point: My parents didn’t go to college, so when I was looking to sift through the hundreds of letters I was getting from colleges in high school, the ones I paid attention to were the schools I knew from sports and felt good about- BC, G’Town, Duke, UVA etc. It does matter who BC associates with and the image the school projects. The BIg East was a mess then when BC left and it’s a worse mess now. To echo Gene echoing the old time sportswriters, the idea of eastern football as a cohesive association was lost the day Penn State joined the BigTen. Plus the ACC fans just have a lot less of the a-hole factor going on.
OMG!
The only colleges I paid attention to were the schools I knew from sports
Is that how kids picks schools now? Sounds Like BCI-Bri thinking.
image does matter
holy smokes, it is worse than I thought.
What’s next as a basis to set up the rest of your life, the unis???
Well, the black pants the team is sporting now ARE nice
Excuse me for being honest here. Sports was not the factor in the final round of which of those schools to attend. Life is full of people deciding among a vast number of choices by seemingly insignificant choices, such as that job you didn’t get whitewater because you still haven’t learned not to wear white socks with dress shoes.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned about waterwater after all these years, it’s that a little part of him dies inside every time:
a) someone admits that as a 17-year old, they had no interest in attending a liberal arts college such as College of the Holy Cross, Sewanee—University of the South or Occidental College, and
b) you say you graduated from BC’s Carroll School of Management, affectionately referred to as “see psalm”
Editor, BC Interruption
Sea psalm! (is there any real passion for something other than $$$ @ sea psalm? I say not much..maybe a crumb here and there)
Did u learn a little about HC from me the other day? Hope so…
As soon as Miami and Tech left
our hand was forced. As your first point illustrates, football in the East was changing and we needed to jump ship.
Kansas, Kansas State and Missour-ah? That is supposed to get us excited about going back to the Big East?
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I have heard that the ACC turned Penn State away?
Is there truth to that back in the 80’s? I ask because I feel that maybe that somebody here would know.
If BC or Maryland left the ACC for the Big East it would be their funeral. No way either school would leave to go there, seeing as its painfully obvious how discombobulated the conference is and the fact that both would be giving up those rivalry’s and associated members. Not to mention it would be sad not to see BC Super Fans in TTT before and after games for a drink.
Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano
Three year gap, not two
I believe the Big East’s new contract will start 2014, three years after the ACC’s contract (starts this year). So, the ACC will only have 9 years left.
Thanks
Was going off this. Assumed “ends in 2013” meant 2012-2013.
“THE DEAL STARTED: A seven-year deal with ABC/ESPN started in 2007 and ends in 2013. The league already has begun negotiations for its next deal. "
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1222735
Editor, BC Interruption
I think I found the confusion - basketball/football mismatch
“The 2009-10 academic year marks the fourth of a six-year agreement between the BIG EAST Conference and ESPN, Inc. for men’s and women’s basketball and the second of a six-year term for football.” and “BIG EAST, CBS Reach Contract Extension
Now in its 28th year, the BIG EAST Conference is proud to have the longest standing continuous relationship with CBS Sports of any conference in the country. CBS Sports, which holds the exclusive rights to the NCAA Men?s Basketball Championship through at least 2011, fueled the BIG EAST’s rapid ascent on the national college basketball scene when it began telecasting men’s basketball games involving conference teams in 1981-82, just the third year of existence for the league.”
Source: http://www.bigeast.org/AbouttheBIGEAST/Television.aspx
Basketball contracts end earlier than the football contracts.
BTW – classic Big East administration. That’s their television contracts webpage today, two years out of date. AND the Big East is currently publicizing the hell out of its tv contacts as the start of its push for the new “megadeal”. Just classic.
Classic Big East
AA: You have often said it is a benefit to be the last conference to go when it comes to negotiating a new media rights deal. What will the next 12 months entail in terms of making sure you maximize this opportunity?
JM: We are indeed very well positioned for our upcoming media rights negotiations, Andrea. In addition to being the last major conference to enter the market, we are also first in terms of TV households and media markets. Eight of our schools are located in the top 14 media markets of the country and 13 are in the top 35. In addition, college football is now firmly second only to the NFL in terms of popularity in America and Big East Conference basketball is unmatched in quality with a postseason tournament at historic Madison Square Garden that delivers drama and ratings year-in and year-out.
As you know, we currently have two concurrent TV agreements which, although negotiated just four years ago, were negotiated in a different era, a different marketplace and after a very difficult time for this conference. As a result, we are extremely undervalued in a dramatically new TV world.
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/44627/qa-with-john-marinatto
Editor, BC Interruption
Look elsewhere BC...
The ACC has always and will always be a below the Mason-Dixon line conference, dominated by North Carolina and basketball. All meetings, conference championships and voting decisions will be made at least 400 miles south of Chestnut Hill. Additionally, the conference is having financial troubles because it overinvested in football. Roughly 50% of the schools struggle to break-even in their athletic departments – MD, Wake, NC St., GA Tech, Miami and VaTech.
When the SEC expands up the Atlantic coast, for money and TV eyeballs, don’t think for a moment that Fla. St, Va. Tech, NC St., and Maryland would not jump at the chance for a $25M annual conference payday and freedom from the North Carolina mafia. BC, needs to reassess what the ACC is truly bring the school and seriously consider looking at going it alone as an independent.
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Independent
Yeah, not a feasible option.
by Eagle in Brighton on Aug 9, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So N.C. State is trying to get away from the North Carolina mafia? They are IN the North Carolina mafia.
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Well written...
…And yet it still won’t convince the people who need a reality check the most.
Good stuff Brian.
Assuming Marinatto’s windbaggery is far from over, this piece is going to have high re-post value…
by Eagle in Brighton on Aug 9, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
BC SEC
There are now stories circulating about 16 team super conferences. The Pac-12 is one and the SEC is another. Once this happens, BC will be kicked in the head with reality. There is plenty of revenge on the mind of those who “remember” the Massachusetts Regiment which came South. If you think that Islam “has a long memory” then you are naive about how the “South still fights the Civil War”. This comes from someone who spent four years in Charleston and who went up the river time and again past Ft. Sumter. BC better have plenty of contingency plans available.
If $3 Million is a rounding error...
Why did they send me a letter telling me they cherish my $6.08 donation?
What a bunch of revisionist garbage
Do you actually believe it or does it just make you feel better? The fact that the BC AD has to explain why BC left the BE 8 years after the raid says all you need to know. There’s two reasons BC left. They thought, not unreasonably, that the BE couldn’t survive. They were wrong. They thought they’d make more money besides. Now the BE is still there, and just about everyone is predicting it will be making more money than the ACC 2013. So BC you were wrong about the death of the BE. And it looks like real soon you’re gonna be making less money. But you go ahead and make yourself better by creating fairy tales about academic status, and national exposure as if those were even considered in 2003. What a joke!
The BC AD explained why BC left the OBE for the same reason the BC AD talked about why he came to BC in the midst of a gambling scandal and his wife was crying – he enjoys living in the past. Heck, if he had been part of the building of the Plex in 19-dickity-2, he’d talk about how things were before that!
And I see the State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick boards have gotten ahold of this post. Welcome!
Editor, BC Interruption
Revisionist? Maybe.
You remember that one pudgy homly chick you dated in 7th grade…thought it was cool because it was all you knew…then a hot bunch of cheerleaders (ok, maybe “librarian” hot) comes along and wants you to roll with them and their collective hotness. Your friends exhale with relief and your family makes comments under their breath like “thank god, I thought he might wind up marrying that girl” when you’re visiting. Everyone notices how nice you look and the extra pep in your step. You’re happy with the world and now, as you look back as an adult at that trash you dated as a 7th grader, all you can do is laugh and thank god that you finally found your way out of the cesspool that is the BigEast.
by BCMike22 on Aug 9, 2011 10:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
True
Just think about a Rutgers Type “babe” — “snooki”
or a WVU “gal” — “inbreedina”.
Or a Pitt “chick” Sissy Spacek
Cincinatti, UConn I shudder at the thought!!
No but I sure as heck remember your mom
(ok I couldn’t help myself)
I don’t really go for this either. Academics is important but honestly Notre Dame associates itself with the Big East just fine (and ranked much higher than BC in academia). If anything you can’t deny that BC misses to some degree being associated with the Catholic schools of the BE.
How many of those other Catholic schools in the BE play Division I-A college football?
Oh, right. ZERO.
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by Brian Favat on Aug 22, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions

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