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Introducing The SB Nation Conference Re-Draft Project

Ever wanted to completely break away from college football's 11 established conferences -- and Army, Navy and that other football independent whose name escapes me at the moment -- and start over? Now we can with the SB Nation Conference Re-Draft project.

Being the BCS conference mercenaries that we are, BC Interruption was selected as one of the six conference commissioners participating in this Re-Draft project over the next few weeks.

Intrigued? Read on for the re-draft rules, objectives and schedule.

 

Game Objectives. The purposes of the fantasy draft are: (1) to explore the values of individual schools by drafting them sequentially, and (2) to have fun strategically building a conference of schools.

There will be six conferences, and such conferences are NOT meant to be new versions of current conferences. That is, the objective of the game is not to create tweaked versions of what we already have. The goal is to draft schools based on their overall value, and to compile a conference of teams strategically and coherently. 

What makes a school valuable? Well as one of the six conference commissioners, we leave that largely up to you, with a few important guidelines. First, bearing in mind that we are drafting athletics conferences, athletics should be weighted heaviest, if not exclusively.

While obviously we must consider athletics, the following are factors you may, but are not required to consider:

Academics
Co-eds
Weather/Desirability of Destination
Historic Success
Traditions
TV Revenue Potential
Ethics
Rivalries (two teams)

On the flipside, for purposes of this game there are two factors that are NOT to be considered. First, do not take travel/geographic concerns into consideration. (For Boston College fans, this shouldn't be a problem as this has become old hat). In real life, Washington and Florida are unrealistic conference partners; in our world, that doesn't matter -- neither from a travel or time zone standpoint. Second, and related, while we may take individual rivalries into consideration (e.g. pairing Michigan and Ohio State), preservation of current conference history/rivalry/alliance is not to be considered. Hopefully for obvious reasons.

Finally, the goal is not to improve the status quo. The goal is not to create a conference that will actually play games. The goal is to use a draft to value schools and have fun strategically grouping them together.

In sum, there is no single way that schools must be valued and/or grouped together. Some may wish to create the best conference of all-around athletics-academics combination. Others may want to create a revenue superpower. There are any number of valid ways to do this. The only limitation is not creating a group that is based on regional and historical ties. Time to wipe the slate clean and start over. 

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Conference Commissioners. As mentioned above, there will be six conference commissioners, with BC Interruption creating one of the six new conferences. The other five conference commissioners / adversaries include House of Sparky (Arizona State), Big East Coast Bias (Big East), Black Heart Gold Pants (Iowa), Team Speed Kills (SEC) and Red Cup Rebellion (Ole Miss).

An (incredibly) important note: The six conference commissioners will start with a blank slate. We don't get to start off by having Boston College in our conference. Similarly, House of Sparky, Black Heart Gold Pants and Red Cup Rebellion will not be starting with Arizona State, Iowa or Ole Miss in their conference already. If we want our own schools, we'll have to draft them. 

By luck of a random number generator, BC Interruption gets first pick in the draft (so the pressure is on, I suppose). The complete draft order is as follows:

1. BC Interruption
2. Black Heart Gold Pants
3. Team Speed Kills
4. Big East Coast Bias
5. House of Sparky
6. Red Cup Rebellion

The draft will be a snake draft, with Red Cup Rebellion receiving the 6th and 7th picks. So unfortunately, while BC Interruption receives the first overall pick, we won't pick again until picks 12 and 13, and so on.

The draft is officially being run by the Oklahoma State Cowboys blog Cowboys Ride For Free, so Samuel will be playing the role of NCAA president Mark Emmert ... BCS Executive Director Bill Hancock ... wait, you're telling me no one actually runs the BCS? Anyhow, Cowboys RFF has the final say in the matter in any and all disputes.

Schedule. This week, we are introducing the Re-Draft project and want to get the conversation going. We need to start thinking about the following questions:

Who would you, our dear readers, want to draft?
What kind of alliances do we seek?
What sort of values are we looking for in a particular program?
Most importantly, since we have the first pick, is who do we start with? Which college football program should we start building a conference around?

On Monday, June 13, BC Interruption is on the clock. We'll need to submit our first overall pick of the draft next Monday. Upon making our first round selection, the conference commissioner (again, that's us) will then consult with their draft choice (if SBN has a blogger for that school) and the two of us will collectively decide on our draft strategy and make our second round choice. 

By Friday of next week, each conference will have a commissioner, two schools and up to two more bloggers and SBN communities to collaborate with on picks. By Sunday, June 19, with a conference commissioner and two schools solidifying the conference's identity, we'll select the name of the conference.

On Monday, June 20, Cowboys Ride For Free will announce the conference names and recap the first two rounds of the draft. Over here at BC Interruption, the first two members of the conference will be announced, discussed and dissected.

After the big reveal of conference names and founding members, the draft will continue in much the same manner, with two draft picks a week for the next several weeks. Once a conference drafts 12 members, a conference can be capped. If we want, the draft will continue for conferences who wish to add more members (i.e. Big East Coast Bias will likely keep going until they hit 20 programs).

If in any subsequent round only one conference remains, it may select the remaining members of its conference up to a maximum of 16 schools (Oh, nevermind then. Sorry, Big East).

Finally, on Monday July 25, the full and complete conference rosters will be announced and discussed across the SB Nation community of NCAA site. Hooray. 

Other points of note: When selecting a school, you are bringing on all of its NCAA-sanctioned varsity programs. So if you select Notre Dame for its football program (god forgive us if we do), all of the Irish's other sports come along with it. Same for Duke football ... ick. 

 

So if you've gotten this far, cool. We want to make sure that everyone clearly understands the objectives and rules as this sort of thing only works if we're all operating in the same universe. Basically, understand that the goal here is not to re-draft the Atlantic Coast Conference, except without Wake Forest and N.C. State.

Now it's your turn. What are you looking for in a college sports program? Who should we take first? Which programs should we be building this conference around? Hell, maybe we should even put together a Mel Kiper-like best available that will help shape not just our first pick but subsequent picks further down the line. Also, if you've gotten this far and still have questions, leave them in the comments section.

Your thoughts? Go.

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I’d like to see Stanford somewhere in our division, but I’m not sure how well historic success and academic success can raise the draft value of them. I’m also partial to Texas, and would love seeing the Longhorns, along with their extremely wealthy new TV deal, be part of this new conference.

If I had to make a top 5 (and not include USC cause of my biased hatred)
1. Texas
2. Stanford
3. Ohio State
4. Nebraska
5. UCLA

by Justin_Bobo on Jun 6, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Stanford has really good non-revenue sports

Not sure I’d want to use one of my first two picks on them, but they’d be good for the conference.

by AdamBC on Jun 6, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering our second pick isnt until 13, I wouldnt be upset with Stanford.

by Justin_Bobo on Jun 6, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohio State still top 3 after Tressel-gate? Buckeyes get low marks on the ethics scale for sure.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got it right with numero uno

Texas has to be on top. They have their own friggin network!

by hoyaeagle on Jun 6, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though the Longhorn Network will have to be reprogrammed to be the official network of this new athletic conference we are building. Prima donnas that horde all the TV money to themselves will not be tolerated in my conference.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Natch

I think it is fair to assume all TV contracts start from scratch, but current contracts serve as a decent indicator of market value… or lack of contracts cough Big East cough

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Media Markets

Will you guys take into account what a school’s media market is like, and how that affects TV rights etc? Because USC might be even with Texas, but USC has a bigger media market?

by jediwesty on Jun 6, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

My thinking ...

Media market size should definitely be a consideration, but not in isolation. We should look at all the potential revenue streams to maximize the value of the picks.

E.g. you might play in one of the top 3 media markets in the country, but if the school’s total enrollment barely pushes 10,000 and their stadium only seats 50,000, you’d be missing out on a ton of other sources of revenue.

Let me know if you agree.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ethics Again

But USC just got blasted back to the stone age for all the illegal crap they were doing. I would stay away from them, that’s not the kind of program I would want in our conference.

by A.J Black on Jun 6, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think media market has to be a primary consideration...

…but media market is more than just the city where you are located. USC has a national TV value, but it is the #1 presence in every southern California market. Texas has a national TV value (slightly less than USC), but is dominant throughout the entire state of Texas.

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

USC also shares the limelight with UCLA in their own city. Texas is clearly top dog in the state in terms of athletics.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Step #1: Revenue

This list, while a few years old, is as good as any. FBS schools by revenue. http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2009/07/how-much-revenue-did-your-favorite-fbs-school-take-in-in-200708-this-chart-will-tell-you.html

Consider the Longhorn network, and this number, I think #1 pick is pretty clear.

1st Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
2nd Ohio State $117,953,712 Big Ten
3rd Florida $106,030,895 Southeastern Conference
4th Michigan $99,027,105 Big Ten
5th Wisconsin $93,452,334 Big Ten
6th Penn State $91,570,233 Big Ten
7th Auburn $89,305,326 Southeastern Conference
8th Alabama $88,869,810 Southeastern Conference
9th Tennessee $88,719,798 Southeastern Conference
10th Oklahoma State $88,554,438 Big 12

by bcheights on Jun 6, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Austin is also one of the better cities in the country in terms of weather / desirability of location. Definitely agree Texas should be way up there on the list of candidates.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

First Pick....

Texas. Media and Revenue really draw me to this pick. The new TV contract helps too. Id like to have Oklahoma as well to have the annual Red River Rivalry (I think). And whats the name of the Confernce.

The only predicament is, deciding what to put on....The Big Boy. VAN GUNDY!!!! hahahaha
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by TheSpecialOne on Jun 6, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

The name of the conference won’t be selected until the conference commissioner (that’s us) has two founding conference members. We’ll quickly huddle with the other two SBN editors for those schools and come up with a conference name, and/or put it to a collective vote on each of our sites.

Any suggestions?

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

First pick: Texas

This is not up for discussion.

Sure Fire first rounders: USC, Florida

Possible first/second rounders: OSU, Michigan, Penn State, Alabama, Oregon, Notre Dame, Auburn

Next tier: Washington, Stanford, BYU, UNC, FSU, UCLA, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Georgia, Miami, Wisconsin

Texas’ school network, branding power, Austin location, and overall dominance of Texas is unrivaled.

I am ignoring USC’s current NCAA issues here, which I believe are a short-term consideration only. Bottom line, USC dominates all media markets in Southern California, is one of the most marketable national names, and has tradition and the Rose Bowl to anchor a conference.

Florida has the premier football/basketball major revenue sport combination and gives you a major presence in FL.

OSU is probably second only to FL in terms of football/basketball combination recently and is very likely to be a first round pick as well. However, I think the opportunity cost/loss of not picking OSU is much lower than USC or Florida, because I think you would lose less by passing on them and taking Michigan or Penn State a round or two later.

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

So ... you're saying we should pick Texas #1 overall? ;)

Obviously, I wouldn’t be fired as conference commissioner for taking Texas first overall. But my concern is who will we pair the Longhorns with when our second and third round picks come around at 12 and 13?

If BC Interruption takes Texas, then surely USC, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Auburn, Oregon, etc. will all come off the board in the first and second rounds before we pick again.

Wondering who you think we could get at picks no. 12 and 13 that would make for a really solid core group of programs for this conference. Thoughts?

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Florida State, UNC, Nebraska, Penn State

I wouldn’t be worried about who’s available at 12 or 13 until you get there. The clear number 1 pick is Texas and I don’t think it’s even that close.

by hoyaeagle on Jun 6, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

After Texas

I think you have to look one of three places:

1) Southern California — USC, UCLA
2) Florida — Florida, Florida State
3) Northern California — Cal (not high on Stanford here because of limited football ceiling, private school)
4) Midwest — a historical power like Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose that’s four, but you get the idea.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

UNC is a school I keep waffling on value...

Football definitely comes first in my mind, but UNC does have the benefit of giving you a truly elite basketball program paired with a football program that is at least not embarrassing. …as opposed to any of Kentucky, Louisville, or Duke. Syracuse might also fall into that territory, though at least their football program has a history and some shred of hope for future improvement.

That said, I think the 2/3 turn might be too early to take them. Later in the third or early in the fourth seems more appropriate based on who’ll still be on the board. If they are there at the 4/5 turn I definitely would take them. One thing that does push them up is the population growth in North Carolina.

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't get past ...

the stadium issue with Syracuse. The Carrier Dome is a hole and Syracuse is the furthest thing from prime recruiting territory for college football.

If you are going to take a northern program, I would give schools like Washington, Illinois, Penn State, Rutgers, Nebraska, Colorado and Utah all a hard look over Syracuse.

The private school status, small-ish student enrollment and only moderately sized endowment are also turn-offs.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

the nice thing

about taking Texas is that, depending on how picks 2 – 11 go, you can then focus more West, more East, try to be regional (i.e. taking Oklahoma if they’re on the board), or any of a number of other directions. Unlike a number of other strong programs (especially in the West), they’re not particularly isolated geographically.

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by MrPacTen on Jun 6, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

When BC goes?

I’m interested to see how things turn out for BC being picked….

Presumably we’d like BCI to control our own fate, but as a non-obvious/non-desirable school for most involved in picking the conferences, could we slip to later rounds?

by miz36 on Jun 6, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Texas and then...

the last pick in the second round is tough. If you pick Texas first, then I feel like there will be a run on SEC teams before we pick again. I honestly feel like we should have at least one SEC team in the new conference (excluding Vanderbilt of course). See who is left in the SEC when it’s your 2nd round pick and go from there. If a solid SEC team is still around (maybe a Georgia or a Tennessee), then I would highly consider them.

Stanford is a good choice, but they did fail to sell-out their 50,000 seat stadium last year in football with a really good team playing, However, their appeal across many sports is a plus.

by D-Murph on Jun 6, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

"SEC" teams overrated

…wait, hear me out.

First, I think the recent television contracts for other conferences tamp down some of the SEC-then-everyone-else meme.

Second, the value of the SEC that does exist isn’t in any one particular team, it is in the collective aggregation of top-tier football programs. If you grab at least two national-contender football schools in rounds 1-3, and other very good football schools with the other three picks in rounds 1-5, I think you’re golden.

Personally, I think Penn State is a sleeping giant in football, having been held back the last decade or so by Paterno. Texas+Texas A&M+PSU would be a very solid base. So would Texas+FSU+Georgia.

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on the SEC

Most of those programs play in marginal TV markets and are of little to no value to a conference like the Big Ten who is trying to build a television network and gain hold in some of the nation’s larger markets (which is why Maryland, Georgia Tech to the B1G isn’t as far-fetched as it sounds).

The SEC model is very different. They are already on national television with their CBS/ESPN deal, so here it’s about the product and not cornering the market in terms of TV markets. Most of the cities under the banner of the current SEC have little or no value on the open, TV ratings market — places like Fayetteville, Oxford and Starkville.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree with what you are saying, but i still think a few SEC schools can hold their own nationally. besides the obvious choices of Florida or Alabama who probably wont be around in round 2, i stil think that schools like Georgia or Tennessee deserve strong consideration…

by D-Murph on Jun 6, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would add LSU and/or Auburn to that list of second-tier SEC programs worth taking a flyer on.

Schools like Kentucky, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Mississippi State and Arkansas, not to mention Vanderbilt, are all late round picks IMO.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this

but I do not agree you have to have at least one SEC team or that there will be a big run of SEC teams late first and early second round. Georgia or Tennessee is worth taking if they are available a çouple of rounds later, but not in the first/second round.

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other possible 2nd round picks

maybe Kentucky or Pittsburgh or Kansas or Wisconsin or Penn St.

by D-Murph on Jun 6, 2011 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

The bad news is that after the first pick, we won’t pick again until pick #12.

The good news is that we can be strategic and use picks 12 and 13 to:

1) add a really solid rivalry to the first overall selection, e.g. Texas-Oklahoma, even if it seems too Big 12-ish
2) use picks 12 and 13 to add two teams who are historical rivals (USC-UCLA, Florida-Georgia, Alabama-Auburn) or
3) just pick the two teams remaining that will deliver the most value to the conference.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

This feels like you are going to have to decide between “best available” vs. “fits a team’s need” in the second round, which is basically what every NFL team drafting in the top 10 has to do…

by D-Murph on Jun 6, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

with best available being option #3 and fits a team’s need being options #1 or #2

by D-Murph on Jun 6, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Historical rivalry is at best a tertiary consideration

Historical rivalry doesn’t justify a selection unless the marjor revenue team strength and/or media market/geographic dominance piece is there to support it.

For instance – I think Oklahoma is a round 4/5 selection even if you have Texas. The Red River Rivalry will be scheduled as an OOC game if they aren’t in the same conference. Oklahoma as a media market is not worth anything. Oklahoma has a strong football program and an okay basketball program. Roughly on the same level with Wisconsin or perhaps VTech.

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair point

I’d imagine a school like Virginia Tech or Texas A&M will still be on the board in rounds 4-5. Which is probably why they were mentioned 1-2 as possible SEC expansion targets … they moderately expand the SEC geographic footprint but at the end of the day, the value of the SEC is the football product, not TV markets.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Though if you have Texas, I do think Texas A&M has market dominance accretive value. Ditto UCLA if you have USC. Upon reflection, these situations are more rare than I expected. That’s probably it for the top tier. Washington-Oregon might be one. Cal-Stanford might be one.

The teams in the Midwest are much more mix-and-match, as are the teams in the Southeast. It would be nice to have Michigan and OSU, but pairing PSU, Nebraska, Wisconsin with either works fine. Same for FSU, Georgia, or Miami with Florida.

Auburn/Alabama isn’t a media market worth dominating. Ditto Oklahoma/Oklahoma State.

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though Oklahoma State does come with one insanely wealthy booster (T. Boone Pickens), which gives that pick some value. Same for Oregon and Phil Knight.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any of Kentucky, Kansas or Pittsburgh would be a stunningly bad choice. TV dollars come from football, period. Plenty of teams to strengthen basketball will be there at 4/5. Personally, I’d love UNC at 4/5. Kansas or Pittsburgh would be solid there as well.

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Pittsburgh — no on-campus football stadium, a TV market you can easily own by taking Penn State
Kentucky — no historical football success at a school that could probably care less about football, fourth smallest stadium in the SEC
Kansas — no historical success, basketball-first school, miniscule TV market

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

As we are not taking relative geography/travel into consideration...

…I don’t see how this is a particular strike against Texas. Plus as a road venue, Austin is near the top.

Let’s assume those other seven are all off the board (as there are only ten interim picks, I don’t think this is a safe assumption though certainly possible).

You’d then be looking at a best available of: Penn State and Notre Dame in my opinion. Though as with Ohio State and the true top tier, I’d consider passing on Notre Dame with the thought that BYU could well be there at the 4/5 turn, and it is another national, religously-based strong school.

You would also have the option of taking Texas A&M and completely, utterly, irrevocably locking up the entire state of Texas for your conference, as well as creating a travel partner for non-revenue sports.

If you want more geographic diversity, you could do something like Penn State and Florida State/Miami (I’d go FSU given Miami’s stadium situation), giving you major presences in Texas, Florida, and the Northeast.

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

gaming it out...

At the 4/5 turn, I think you’d be hoping for any of: BYU, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Washington, Georgia, etc. to be on the board. Partly depends on who you take at the 2/3, but if you took FSU, getting Georgia at the 4/5 seems possible and would make another really solid travel pairing.

As long-term play, Texas and Texas A&M is a very tempting play given the demographic trends in Texas. 2000 to 2010, four Texas metropolian areas were among the top-11 nationally in population growth: Austin (No. 3), Houston (No. 8), San Antonio (No. 9 ) and Dallas-Fort Worth (No. 11) . Source: http://blogs.forbes.com/joelkotkin/2011/04/15/the-census-fastest-growing-cities-of-the-decade/

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus no state income tax!

We’ll definitely incorporate in Texas.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry...

You can’t go wrong with Texas, but would I have to turn in my BC fan card if I voted for Notre Dame at #1? They’re big, always garner good tv ratings, and would fit in just about any conference we are able to cobble together. Ethics are also better than other “big name” schools like USC, Texas and Ohio State. At least they didn’t hold BC over the coals in terms of Big East exit penalty.

by chicagofire1871 on Jun 6, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Is the draft being held in 1988?

If so, then I am fine with ND as the #1 overall pick.

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Also, and I hate to say this as a BC fan, but I really believe the future of college football is with these large, public state schools. The smaller, private school football powerhouses will continue to pop up from time to time — Notre Dame, USC, Miami (… maybe) — but in the long run, I think the sport will be dominated by large, public state schools, who can prioritize winning football based on money handed down from the state.

BCS Conference Private Schools
ACC (4) — Boston College, Duke, Miami, Wake Forest
Big East (2) — Syracuse, TCU
Pac 12 (2) — USC, Stanford
Big Ten (1) — Northwestern
SEC (1) — Vanderbilt
Big 12 (1) — Baylor
Indep. (1) — Notre Dame

I realize that private schools aren’t a big portion of the BCS (12/67), but I think there’s a reason why most of these programs have probably had their day in the sun.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Michigan State in the 2nd round, historically a strong program in both major sports, they play in Michigan which is a solid market as long as people there can still afford tickets, with a great rival in Ann Arbor. Thoughts?

by A.J Black on Jun 6, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Personally, not very high on Michigan State ...

- Hasn’t won a National Championship since the 1960s
- Just one Big Ten title in last 20 years (2010, split three-ways and only after playing a ridiculously cupcake schedule)
- East Lansing is cold
- Doesn’t even deliver the Detroit TV market
- 7-14 record all-time in bowls, including 5 straight losses (hasn’t won a bowl game since winning something called the Silicon Valley Classic in 2001 … vs. Fresno State)

But, there is Izzo.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man Crush

I kind of have a college basketball man crush on Tom Izzo. Probably skews how I look at this whole thing.

What about shooting for San Diego State in the later rounds? Both programs are solid, could be a steal later in the draft.

by A.J Black on Jun 6, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d imagine San Diego State would be a late, late round pick. Might even fall to the awkward stage when some conferences keep going past 12 and others tap out.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of, I’d much rather be able to tap out at 10 programs, especially if the conference is anchored by Texas. I’m not a fan of the 2, 6-team division format because of the unbalanced schedule.

Ten programs, 9-game round-robin schedule in football, 18-games in basketball is easy and gets the job done.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

ive always been a huge fan of how the pac-10 schedules football and basketball (which is obviously changing with the creation of the pac-12). with how the big ten ended last season in a 3-way tie, the pac-10 schedule always seemed like the best team won the conference because they were the best, not because they didnt have to play USC (or in Michigan St.’s instance, not having to play Ohio St)

by D-Murph on Jun 6, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately ...

The rules clearly state each conference must have 12.

I kinda think a cap of 10 makes it a little more interesting, because the minimum number of teams drafted would then be 60 … 7 less than the total number of BCS programs. With at least 72 programs getting drafted, we’ll definitely have to dip into the Mountain West and/or C-USA.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree with this

Michigan State is clearly the second school in its own state. You can throw them in the mix with any number of state schools as a fine enough mid-round (5th, 6th) pick.

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill simmons hate index

Ny times online Posted story from its magazine about the sports guy. It has a photo of a teenage simmons from the 80s wearing a BC football tee.

 an interesting wardrobe choice for a guy w so little BC love in his articles

by cwm2005 on Jun 6, 2011 5:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Haha

Yeah, thanks cwm2005. Got that pic up in last week’s Hate Index (can’t display it directly due to NYT/Simmons copyright).

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just saw last weeks hate index

Voted for simmons. He’s a closet eagles fan- and i might have to call his bluff via mailbag

by cwm2005 on Jun 7, 2011 1:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Enrollment factor

Need to sell 100,000+ tickets to 6-8 college football games each fall? It helps having a big student body:

1. Arizona State — 58,371
2. Central Florida — 56,235
3. The Ohio State University — 56,064
4. Minnesota — 51,721
5. Texas — 51,195
6. Florida — 49,827
7. Texas A&M — 49,129
8. South Florida — 47,576
9. Michigan State — 47,131
10. Penn State — 44,817

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_United_States_university_campuses_by_enrollment

Strangely enough, this supports CSOM_97’s Texas block method, even if it will resemble the current Big 12 in the early rounds.

However, a big factor will be the other school’s SBN community, who will also have a say in our second round pick. Would they go for aTm even though they kinda dislike the Aggies?

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

think about it this way...

If you took just Texas and Texas A&M, what other school in Texas is worth taking anywhere in your draft (e.g. top 72 teams)? Maybe TCU in the very late rounds, maybe. Those two schools just dominate the second most populous state in the country, which contains 8% of the US population.

The real question for your draft strategy is, assuming you take Texas #1, will Texas A&M be worth selection by anyone else before you pick at the 4/5 turn? It is a close call in the 4th I think – feels almost like a handcuff situation where it could be worth reaching.

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No other schools in Texas

Baylor, TCU, Rice and SMU are all private schools, and I kinda have a phobia about private schools (see above) unless they are truly college football powerhouses — Notre Dame, USC, possibly Miami or Stanford.

Texas Tech offers next to nothing. So does UTEP, North Texas, Texas State and Texas-San Antonio.

Sleeping giant? Arizona State? Look at that enrollment in one of the countries fastest growing cities.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Texas thoughts

i have a feeling that it may be tough to convince Texas that Texas A&M is worthy of your conference’s second round pick…

i agree with CSOM though that other people may not even care about A&M since A&M’s biggest value is if you also have texas in your conference. waiting until the 4th round may pay off.

i was also thinking of Arizona (along with ASU) as another sleeper. 30,000+ undergrads along with being the better of the two Arizona schools in my opinion for athletics (although the football stadium is kind of small at like 57,000).

by D-Murph on Jun 6, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The knock on the Arizonas ...

- Little to no historic success
- Miniscule endowments (only higher than the Oregon schools in the Pac-12)
- Sun Devil Stadium in need of repairs, apparently … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Devil_Stadium#Needed_renovations
- Arizona Stadium is really small

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Potential value pick territory

At some point (probably late 6th, early 7th round), the only teams left are going to have some serious problems. Neither ASU nor Arizona is a particularly strong selection, but as Brian mentions above, Arizona is also a growth area. Looking at Brian’s draft slots, if they are both there at the 6/7 or 8/9 turn (not sure which), I’d be tempted to take them both and lock down Arizona, particularly if he has a hammerlock on Texas too. Zona helps you in hoops too, which you’d need to be considering by this point.

Maybe you go A&M and FSU at the 2/3 turn and pursue a Southern strategy. If Miami or Georgia is still there at the 4/5 turn you take them to pair with FSU, or maybe even Clemson. Otherwise try to grab UCF in a later round. Now you have two strong Southeast teams, plus Texas and Arizona on lockdown. You can pair in the later rounds with a variety of teams, augmenting basketball iwith a Kansas/UNC type selection with the other 4/5 turn pick.

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mock Draft

at some point, i want a mock draft from CSOM_97. you seem to have put a ton of good thought into this haha.

by D-Murph on Jun 6, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Told y’all about UCF

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Jun 6, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we are starting from scratch, I agree that UCF has a lot of value, Bud. No question.

But with the Knights stuck in Conference USA, begging the Big East to let them in, revenue will be severely limited.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 7, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t sell it as going for the Aggies in the 2nd, sell it as completely screwing every other school in Texas in the 3rd.

by CSOM_97 on Jun 6, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just looking at those enrollment numbers, combined with football pedigree, why not go for Texas and Ohio State as your 1, 2.

by chicagofire1871 on Jun 6, 2011 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

My guess is Ohio State will definitely come off the board by the time we pick again at #12. I mean, if they are there, obviously we’d snatch them up at #12, but I highly doubt it.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 6, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, im just trying to come up with teams at 12 that we havent discussed

How about Wisconsin, Tennessee or Alabama? Big revenue schools that may slip a bit.

by Justin_Bobo on Jun 6, 2011 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

if alabama is there at 12, i would absolutely take them

by D-Murph on Jun 6, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

So in what round do we become homers and pick BC? Though it’d be interesting to intentionally hold out and see whom, if anyone takes the Eagles.

by chicagofire1871 on Jun 6, 2011 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I was just thinking the same thing…what teams will start going off the board right around the time BC does? Some teams that I think might go around the same time:

Syracuse
Maryland
Purdue
Ole Miss
West Virginia
Texas Tech
California

(Just some guesses)

Brian is it going to be a priority to try and grab the Golden Eagles?

by A.J Black on Jun 7, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously, I’ll get fired if I take Boston College first (not happening) … unless we took the very non-conventional route and tried to build a conference of really, really, ridiculously smart schools — Stanford, Virginia, North Carolina, Cal, Boston College, etc.

It will become much harder to grab BC in later rounds though, especially with early draft picks communities pow-wowing with the commissioner and jointly making the picks.

I’m pretty sure what will happen is we’ll go down this Texas path and I’ll be the commissioner of this conference of large, southern state schools, and then one of the other 5 commissioners will pick BC in the later rounds. So I’ll be the commissioner of one league and the rep for BC for another conference, creating a Bud Selig-like conflict of interest.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 7, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

You joke about "smart schools"

But Schools like Stanford, UNC and Virginia have consistently the best Athletic Department performance in that nation. The rules seemed to state you were picking the schools, not just the football programs.

Are you taking a Capital One Cup™ view of an athletic department, where Basketball and Football count 3 times more than any other sport or factor, or do you use the Director’s Cup view of a department where all sports (including Women’s Soccer) are weighed equally.

Likely some sort of hybrid will be used, but I think it will be hard to fight the football-only bias that some of the schools will hope to focus on.

by jbjonesjr on Jun 7, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t joking about creating the “Just Below the Ivy League,” as I know that the money available in research grants and associating with high-quality academic schools outstrips even the money generated from football.

But at the same time, this re-draft project is clearly born out of football and the conference musical chairs we witnessed last summer.

Here’s the background from Cowboys RFF: http://www.cowboysrideforfree.com/2011/6/7/2181154/re-drafting-the-bcs-aq-conferences

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by Brian Favat on Jun 7, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

The League of Extraordinary Academic Gentlemen

Given the draft order, it would be close to impossible to put all these schools together, but how about:

West: Stanford, California, USC, UCLA, Rice, Northwestern
East: Michigan, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Duke, Virginia, Wake Forest

If you wanted to stick to just private schools, then it would be:

West: Stanford, USC, TCU, Baylor, Northwestern, Vanderbilt
East: Boston College, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Duke, Wake Forest, Miami

Still tough, but easier to pull off than the first one.

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by Brian Favat on Jun 7, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

For the purpose of a “draft”, I agree, putting together such a conference would be near impossible. My only goal, since the stated purpose of the project was to “define value for each and every school,” was to note that there does in fact exist value in schools not in the SEC-West, Southern California or that own their own cable network.

by jbjonesjr on Jun 7, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I think we’ve already established that individual schools in the SEC are overvalued in a draft like this.

Though the BCS schools in Southern California actually are two of the highest ranked universities academically (UCLA, USC), and the University of Texas also has solid academics (ranked nationally).

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by Brian Favat on Jun 7, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agrees all around

All of that said, Texas would be my #1 pick as well. However, in no way would I think of drafting Ole Miss, Auburn or U Wash before Carolina (Stanford, or Virginia -Insert ‘count the NCAA titles’ avatar-).

by jbjonesjr on Jun 7, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is a great idea and I'm looking forward to seeing it play out

The Texas pick is a given, and for the 12th pick if UGA is available I would pick them, and if not LSU would be a nice pick. I’m slightly biased but FSU with the 13th pick could be a nice value. For the 4th & 5th round picks, I’m a closet Michigan State fan and I think they are a well rounded program for that pick, is it foolish to think UCLA would still be on the board at that point? Hat tip to Cowboys Ride for Free, this will help pass the long summer days.

by NationWideNole on Jun 7, 2011 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

It would be much easier

If we started with BC…I’d pick Stanford up in a heartbeat.

If we’re going from scratch, I think you have to take Texas #1 overall. Stanford could fall back to us at #12 and would be a solid selection there.

by BCMike22 on Jun 7, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

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