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Why Is Top-Seeded Boston College Traveling To McNeese State For The NIT?

The question on everyone's mind today is why the hell is a 1-seed in the NIT traveling to Lake Charles, Louisiana to take on the 8th-seeded McNeese State Cowboys in the First Round of the NIT? In today's Boston Globe, BC coach Steve Donahue had this to say when asked about BC hitting the road instead of hosting a first round game:

"Our building's not available,'' Donahue said. "That's what I'm told.''

When asked whether this was some sort of statement of protest for not making the NCAA Tournament's field of 68, he added: 

"Not at all,'' he said. "At this point, your kids are excited to still play. You play a good team, you go down there, and whether it's home or away it doesn't bother us.''

For his part, Donahue is saying all the right things about this. The higher seed hitting the road is certainly not unprecedented, as Dayton is also playing in a first round road game against the lower-seeded College of Charleston. Dayton has a much more legit excuse, though, as the Flyers' home court is being used for Tuesday and Wednesday's NCAA Tournament play-in games. Last year, #1 seeded Illinois traveled to #8 Stony Brook for a game in the NIT.

BC was put into the same situation in its last NIT appearance in 2003. That year, the Eagles hit the road for their Opening Round NIT game at Fairfield despite being the higher seed of the two teams (if I recall correctly). The Eagles were ousted in Philadelphia by Temple in the next round.

The official reason stated in the Globe article was that Conte Forum is booked this week to accommodate both the men's and women's ice hockey programs, who will be preparing for postseason play (the women are in the Frozen Four this weekend, and the men are in the Hockey East semifinals at the Garden). 

The unofficial reason? I doubt GDF felt that the school would make any money hosting an NIT game ... against McNeese State (no offense intended) ... on a Tuesday night ... with a 9 PM tip. Oh, and charging at least $15 a ticket.

The school found itself in a similar position just a few days ago, when we had to charge for the BC women's NCAA Tournament game against Minnesota on Saturday. Listed attendance for BC's NCAA Quarterfinal game was just 583 (which is a shame, really). I can't imagine the school made any money on the event. In all likelihood, we probably took a loss on the event.

My only hope is that, should the Eagles advance to the Second Round, that they would choose to host a game at Conte against the winner of the Northwestern/Milwaukee game. The second round is to be played from March 18-21, and the women will be off to Erie, Pa. for the Frozen Four, while the men will be cross-town defending last year's Hockey East Tournament Championship at the Garden.

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For me, this is a big reason why I feel BC needs a basketball-only arena. The Eagles earned the right to host NIT games through to the Semifinals at the Garden. But instead, the senior class of Joe Trapani, Corey Raji, Biko Paris and Josh Southern have to hit the road for their farewell tour. That blows.

In my humble opinion, Conte Forum is first and foremost an ice hockey facility. The student sections behind the baskets stink for the most part, and the donor-based seating in the bottom of Conte doesn't create any sort of home court advantage. The students are too far away from the action up in the bleachers on the second level, and I'm sure the lack of a proper basketball atmosphere is a big reason why students aren't showing up for our games. Simply put, Conte is a one of the best college hockey arenas in the country and just a 'meh' basketball facility.

Just don't ask me where you'd put a basketball-only facility on campus. With a capacity of 8,606, Conte is already the second smallest basketball arena in the ACC, behind only Miami's BankUnited Center. It's also just the 129th largest in Division I. A basketball-only facility would have to seat just as many fans as Conte Forum currently does for basketball, especially for games against North Carolina, Duke and other high-profile opponents, and there's really nowhere else on campus you could build the thing. Not with adequate parking, anyhow. 

Boston College building a basketball-only arena is a pipe dream, of course. I'd argue that "if you build it, they will come" if you are able to create student-only sections close to the court like some of the better college basketball facilities. But amidst a recession and the ever-tense relations we have with the city of Newton, the AD has probably convinced himself that only if they come will he build it.

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I think this decision exposes a lack of planning. GDF knew on Friday afternoon that we had a very good chance of hosting an NIT game. Are hockey teams really practicing from 9-11 pm? Is there no other time they could schedule when the players live on campus?

by bc2208 on Mar 14, 2011 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

2 hours

I don’t think the problem is the two hours of lost practice time on tuesday night as much as it’s the 24-48 hours of lost practice time preceding the game. The NCAA owns the NIT, so I’m sure BC couldn’t just throw down the court just before the game. It would need to be in place well before the game.

Both the men’s and women’s hockey teams have legit national title hopes. There is no reason to put those teams at a disadvantage in favor of the basketball teams quest to be crowned the 69th best team in the country.

by css01 on Mar 14, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Further complicating the situation is having Conte actually attached to Alumni (who thought that was a good idea?). At some point, Conte/Alumni will need to be upgraded, but it’s hard to do one without the other. There is so much wrong with our athletic facilities today, for example, if Conte is a hockey first venue, then why no A/C? Ideally, I see Alumni getting fitted out with real seats, not benches with no freakin’ backs on them. Conte has to be gutted and built from the ground up again. There is no room for separate hockey/basketball arenas, but perhaps a new building on the Brighton property? If not, then Conte has to knocked down, and separated from Alumni, rearrange the seating capacity to take advantage of the areas behind each basket and add more corporate suites. These are the real money makers for sports businesses.

by chicagofire1871 on Mar 14, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

First off, why cant the hockey teams find another place to practice? Dosent the campus have some sort of arena where they can practice? I can guarentee that everyone on that team dosent want to go to Louisiana and play an easy game. Besides if we lose the seniors will go out in Louisiana? Unless it is for the NCAA tourney we should go out at Conte or the Garden. As for the new arena i agree its not that nice and i would like to have a new stadium, but why are we gonna waste money on a new arena if its only gonna be half full? BC averaged 5000 or so fans this year if we make an arena thats is 11000 for example all you will see on tv is empty seats. I will admit thats not anyones fault but the fans that can go to the game (I am not one of them because i live an hour away). If we had maybe 7000 fans average maybe GDF would make a new arena bigger but unitl that happens well be playing at Conte.

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by TheSpecialOne on Mar 14, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe not a new arena ...

But this should absolutely be a sign that BC needs to figure out a way to build even some kind of hockey practice facility. Working in the tech industry, this is akin to using your production environment to test out your code, and telling your users that they can’t work because you’re testing. Practice for any teams, regardless of cache, prestige, or national rank, should never preclude another team from playing a real game at home. Can you imagine if BC soccer was in the Elite Eight and couldn’t play at home because the football team needed to practice for the “Pfaltzgraff China Bowl” in Manitoba? How well would that sit?

That it’s the NIT shouldn’t matter. These kids don’t deserve to have to travel to Louisiana to play a road game when they earned the right to play at home. Say what you will about not playing well enough to be in the NCAAs, but they exceeded expectations and are a #1 seed in another postseason tournament. Considering they are equal tenants in Conte, they shouldn’t be booted because BC is too inert to ask Newton, Brighton, or some other nearby town to use a hockey rink for a couple of nights on short notice.

This has nothing to do with hockey, other than they happen to be the team on the other side of this problem. I’d love for them to practice on campus, just not at the expense of giving our teams a fair shake.

by bcmikey on Mar 14, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, and ...

I know football and soccer play on different fields. Just imagine the bubble wasn’t up for some reason and they (football) took over the soccer fields on Newton Campus.

by bcmikey on Mar 14, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not bc GDF doesnt wana lose money

Its not GDF not wanting to play. You still make $ off these games because of ticket sales, consessions, sponsors, etc. If not then we wouldnt schedule NJIT on a Sunday afternoon when were on Winter break. You still make $ on these and get good wins.

Maybe its a bigger loser to risk losing hockey revenue on branding and tourney advances than it is a loser in terms of actual $

by Taylor Wishman on Mar 14, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

That sounds like some heavy math…

by bc2208 on Mar 14, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, I don’t think the school turns a profit on every home basketball game, especially the NJIT’s over spring break. Sure, you make money at the gate and make a little extra cash in concessions, but think about all the people you have to pay to open up Conte — student concessions workers, maintenance staff, security, catering services for the media, ticket office, BCPD, etc. etc.

There has got to be a break-even number of fans that you need to put in the seats to make money on an event.

The other thing that an NIT game has against it is no guaranteed revenue. You aren’t getting any guaranteed revenue from season ticket holders. You are starting at zero, and I also don’t think you can give tickets away for free to students (my guess is there is a minimum ticket price you have to charge, as stipulated by the NCAA/NIT).

Not excusing the fact that this game is on the road, just pointing out not every game makes revenue.

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by Brian Favat on Mar 14, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

would this game have sold poorly?

one of the first things i thought when we got snubbed was that at least i would be able to watch a tournament style basketball game in conte which isn’t something you see everyday

by bloomsday16 on Mar 14, 2011 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Money

is dominating the conversation. Even though it’s probably a big reason, it’s a horrible one and no justification. We said the other day that $1.6 Million would be well spent on a bowl game. Would we lose even $100,000? I don’t see how. I think the game could draw 4,000 safely, and I doubt it even costs $100k to run the lights and hot dog stands. Don’t BC students volunteer to flip the floor??

If money had anything to do with this decision GDF should be fired on the spot. This is postseason basketball, not an NJIT game. You grow a fanbase by putting on a show. Closing the doors doesn’t help anyone.

by bc2208 on Mar 14, 2011 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

4000?

No way. Tuesday night, 9 pm, on 2 days notice against a team nobody’s heard of before.

They would be lucky to get 400.

by css01 on Mar 15, 2011 8:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

Much closer to 400 than 4000.

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by Brian Favat on Mar 15, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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