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2011 National Signing Day: SB Nation On ACC Atlantic's Recruiting Haul

National Signing Day has come and gone. We've taken a brief look at Boston College's haul, so let's take a look at how the other five teams in the ACC Atlantic fared yesterday. 

Down in Tallahassee, Florida State signed the nation's top recruiting class. Well, at least according to two of the four recruiting ranking services. As you might expect, this has the guys over at Tomahawk Nation dreaming of a return to when Florida State regularly bludgeoned the rest of the conference, circa 1993.

"This is Florida State's best class in a decade and serves notice to the rest of the college football world that FSU will soon be back and contend at the highest level. And it serves notice to the other 11 other ACC programs, who cannot hope to compete with the Seminoles talent if FSU continues to stockpile in this fashion."

I will give Seminoles fans this: they really take their recruiting rankings seriously. Congrats, Florida State, on your #1 2011 recruiting class, according to ESPN and 247. I look forward to watching your 2011 split National Recruiting Championship banner raised at the Doak.

At Clemson, Dabo Swinney and the Tigers had a good day, all things considered. Clemson hauled in a top-tier recruiting class, signing four 5-star recruits (according to Rivals) and finishing with a class ranked 8th by Rivals, 10th by ESPN and 11th by Scout. Shakin The Southland gives this class its seal of approval:

"An incredible job by our staff, considering the negativity within the fanbase and a 6-7 season." 

Overall, I'm not too concerned about the Tigers 2011 class in the long-term. After all, Dabo Swinney is still the coach down in Death Valley.

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Our friends down in College Park didn't have the best of National Signing Days. You know, with the Terps in the middle of a head coaching change, and what not. Here's Testudo Times take:

"Elsewhere, there wasn't a lot of excitement on NSD. Darius Jennings went with Virginia, while Clemson picked up two more five-stars. Both UVA and Clemson loaded up, and Florida State had already pulled in a crazy class. The ACC is getting a lot more talented and it's happening fast. Oh, and James Franklin did a nice job with Vandy's class.

Hopefully 2012 goes a little better."

As an aside, it must be nice to be concerned with what Virginia is doing on the recruiting trail, and not Virginia Tech, as UVa is Maryland's permanent Coastal Division dancing partner. Speaking of Virginia, Brendan from From Old Virginia reports that the Cavs' day went extremely well. While BC plays Virginia what seems like every tenth year, the program that London is building in Charlottesville is certainly one to keep an eye on, particularly with respect to the impact the Cavaliers' program will have on Virginia Tech and Maryland's programs.

Down in Raleigh, akula wolf at Backing The Pack couldn't help displaying his disappointment with Tom O'Brien's recruiting class:

"We addressed some needs and added some good players, but this class was a huge disappointment and there's really no way to spin that. I trust TOB's ability to develop kids as much as the next guy, but he isn't winning any conference titles with classes like this one. On the bright side, State's successful season on the field should make the program an easier sell for the class of 2012, and the coaches have already received a couple of commitments."

The Wolfpack recruiting class finished 11th and 12th in the ACC, depending on your recruiting ranking service of choice. TOB also added that Mike Glennon will be N.C. State's QB next season, with Russell Wilson deciding on playing baseball next season. Sounds like next year's Wolfpack team will look very different from the one that finished within a game of winning this year's ACC Atlantic Division crown.

Finally, down in Winston-Salem, the boys at Blogger So Dear had a running account of the day's National Signing Day action. Wake hauled in just 14 recruits this year, a typical Jim Grobe class of under-the-radar guys. QB Kevin Sousa (no. 23 QB in the country) headlines the class. You could call it an "Al Skinner" diamond-in-the-rough-esque class, I suppose.

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To be fair

we have coaches who can develop FSUs talent on both sides of the ball at the same time for the first time in 10 years.

by 93noleman on Feb 3, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously

FSU fans are incredibly cocky going forward. It’s not like I have faith in Spaz but the way they talk it’s a waste of time to play the games for the next 4 years.

by 31southst on Feb 3, 2011 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

Whenever FSU has recruited like this and has had quality coaching, it has been a waste of time. When FSU treated its program like an exhibit in a history museum, some programs caught up. I don’t think it is going back to the 62-2 conference record days of ’92-99, but I would expect FSU to go 20-4 at worst over the next three years in regular-season conference play.

'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'11: Conference Champions?

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by Bud Elliott on Feb 3, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why I said cocky

20-4 over the next three years amounts to two 7-1 and a 6-2 as your worst case scenario. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong but to say that’s the worst you see happening is ridiculous. College football in general and the ACC specifically were a very different place from ‘92-’99. I was wrong about you guys this year and maybe I’ll continue to be wrong going forward, but I think it’s very hard to put up an 8-0 or 7-1 record, so to say that’s the worst you see is very extreme to me.

by 31southst on Feb 3, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Seems way too high considering Virginia Tech is the only program to achieve this in the post-expansion ACC. The Hokies got to 20-4 from 2005-2007 and still only won one ACC Championship over that span.

Even with a perfect 8-0 season this year, VT still didn’t hit the 20-win mark from 2008-2010.

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by Brian Favat on Feb 3, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think most Seminole fans expect 8-0 in the ACC without fail. I am not one of those guys. FSU went 6-2 in a rebuilding year and the gap between FSU and the ACC seems to be widening.

To put it another way, if fisher does worse than 25-7 in the ACC in his first four years I think he will be fired. Perhaps 19-5 is the worst-case scenario. I don’t think this is cocky. Bama just went 21-3 in the SEC, FSU will have similar talent within a year or two.

'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'11: Conference Champions?

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by Bud Elliott on Feb 4, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Bama

I think it’s a more little premature to put Jimbo Fisher in the same league as Nick Saban. I know that Jimbo coached under Saban but that doesn’t mean he’s the same caliber coach (in my mind Saban is the best HC in the NCAA right now with Carroll and Meyer out). Our receivers coach (and potential new OC) coached under Urban Meyer and Chip Kelly but that doesn’t mean he is in either’s league as a coach.

by 31southst on Feb 4, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree that Saban is the best coach and do not put Fisher on the same level. But, FSU is reaching Bama’s talent level and playing in a lesser conference.

'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'11: Conference Champions?

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by Bud Elliott on Feb 4, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Bud is clearly projecting trends into the future and therefor all of his comments and our responses to them are matters of opinion at this point

However, history indicates what he is saying is possible for FSU. As his version of the future seems more probable than 4 years of 5 – 3 in the conference for FSU at this point.

predicting a repeat of the results of the last few years for FSU and not changes doesn’t seem to be the right way to go with the improved talent and coaching we have.

FSU is fortunate by geography and tradition to be able to get elite talent, develop it and compete for national titles

Are any of you predicting more of the same with BCs O with the new coaches you have?

by 93noleman on Feb 4, 2011 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

Predictions

I think BC’s offense will be marginally better this year (I can’t see it doing much more than the middle for FBS teams but that itself would be a big step up) and our defense should be very good again. The problem is that as good of a DC as Spaz was, he seems to be in over his head as HC (there was a reason he never got a HC job until he was 62). I hope I’m wrong but this year was very disappointing to me for Spaz.

As for FSU, I don’t doubt their talent is getting better but where I took issue was saying 20-4 as the worst case scenario. My guess is FSU will go something like 6-2, 6-2, 7-1 for the next three years, which isn’t far off Bud’s guess. However, saying that’s the worst case implies Bud sees something like 8-0, 7-1, 7-1 as the likely result. That’s where I strongly disagree. I do agree that the days of 4-4 in conference are done.

by 31southst on Feb 4, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Well our next two years of ACC schedule are easy. Get Duke twice and UVA once.

'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'11: Conference Champions?

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by Bud Elliott on Feb 4, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Think of it in a 5-year cycle (one complete rotation of coastal foes)
VT-GT-MIA
GT-UNC-MIA
UNC-UVA-MIA
UVA-DUKE-MIA
DUKE-VT-MIA

That’s 40 games. I would expect 44-6, 45-5, 46-4 something like that

'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'11: Conference Champions?

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by Bud Elliott on Feb 4, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I still disagree

but getting Duke and UVA as 3 of your 4 rotating games definitely makes a difference. VT, UNC, and GT all could beat you and I agree there’s pretty much no chance Duke or UVA does (although I do think London will have UVA in a good place in 4 years).

by 31southst on Feb 4, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

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