Conference Realignment: Big East (Finally) Expanding, Timing Of Pitt And Syracuse To ACC
by Brian Favat on Dec 7, 2011 8:00 AM EST
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PrintCBSSports.com's Brett McMurphy is reporting that the Big East is finally set to add new members ... today?
"Boise State, San Diego State, Houston, SMU and UCF will join the Big East Conference in 2013, sources told CBSSports.com.
The announcement is expected to be made on Wednesday.
Boise State and San Diego State will join the Big East as football-only members, while Houston, SMU and UCF will join as all-sport members. Boise State is expected to put its non-football sports in the WAC, while SanDiego State would place its non-football sports in the Big West, sourcestold CBSSports.com."
The Big East is still working with Navy and Air Force to join the league as soon as next week, but Air Force seems still on the fence. If the Falcons balk, McMurphy is reporting that Temple is the leading candidate to re-join the fold.
What will be interesting is just when these schools will join the Big East, specifically as it relates to Syracuse and Pitt's move to the ACC. McMurphy is reporting that even if these five schools all join the conference for the 2013 season, the conference will hold Syracuse and Pittsburgh to the league's 27-month exit requirement. The Big East could then be as big as 15 football playing members for the 2013 season. Awk-ward.
If Pitt and Syracuse are held to the league's 27-month exit requirement, the earliest both programs could move over would be June 30, 2014 (in time for the 2014 football season). However, both programs are monitoring the West Virginia-Big East situation, where A.D. Oliver Luck has made it abundantly clear the Mountaineers are focused on playing in the Big 12 next season.
BC has a home game against Syracuse in 2013, and it's back to the Carrier Dome to play Syracuse on the road in 2014. As it stands now, the Eagles will probably keep its date with Cuse in 2013 and cancel the 2014-2021 games and let the revised ACC schedule take over.
In other realignment news, Frank the Tank has one of the more complete explanations about why the ACC may pass on UConn.
"From a pure football standpoint, UConn is a newbie with a Division I-A program that isn't even a decade old yet. This is a massive negative to the Big 12, Big Ten and ACC that I don't think many realignment observers and UConn supporters fully appreciate. Power conferences want to see a long football history, even if it's a bad one like Rutgers has. (If UConn ultimately gets left behind while other Big East teams leave for greener pastures, it will be for this reason."
Mr. Tank (?) further reasons that if the ACC wanted to add Rutgers and Connecticut to get to 16 schools, this move would have been done already.
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But but but
UConn is like a brother to ND. And when ND decides to join the ACC, it will insist that UConn be added to bring the ACC to 16! Yeah, that is the part Mr Tank missed!
UConn v SMU. Etc etc Fun.ot of fan interest for that. Not.
by eagleosprey on Dec 7, 2011 8:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If UConn and Notre Dame were so close, why did the Irish back out of the two school’s six game football series?
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ummmmm . . . .
did you think I serious?
did ND back out? sweet! when?
Where is that cretin Derbyguy to put the pathetic UConn spin on it all!
Deal With Irish Off? Good for UConn
NEWPORT, R.I. — Hail! to the deal-makers valiant. Hail! to the conqu’ring negotiators. Hail! Hail! . . . Oh, sorry, you’re not a Michigan fan?
Maybe you’ll like this one better.
Rocky Top, you’ll always be a guaranteed home game to me. Good ole Rocky Top, UConn hosts Tennessee.
While it would be factually premature to report the six-game football series between Notre Dame and UConn for 2011 to 2017 at South Bend/Foxboro/East Rutherford is already dead and buried deeper than Jimmy Hoffa at the Meadowlands, it would be equally irresponsible to assert that UConn has any intention to sign a contract for an agreement of such length.
http://articles.courant.com/2009-08-05/news/jeffcol0805.art_1_notre-dame-uconn-hail
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Notre Dame wasn’t willing to play any games at the Rent (can’t imagine why!), so sounds like they killed the deal.
“Who knows, it could be something where we play one a few years down the road, who knows but I can’t stress this to you enough that our goal is to bring the best teams we can to Rentchler Field.”
http://blogs.courant.com/uconn_football/2009/08/what-happened-is-the-uconnnd-s.html
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Plenty of caveats here …
- 2013 TBA: Unconfirmed reports suggest that the series with UConn is canceled,18 thus the 2013 schedule is complete except for the exact date at Air Force.
- 2014 TBA: At least one additional date home or away, plus a replacement game at Notre Dame Stadium if the UConn series is canceled as expected.
- 2015 TBA: With the UConn series expected to be canceled,18 a replacement game is likely to be scheduled at a neutral site.
- 2016 TBA: With the UConn series expected to be canceled,18 one additional date (home or away) will be scheduled.
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Not that you'll actually see this or anything
But “cretin” is pretty harsh. Is it such a big deal that I support my team? Apparently it is for you considering this account was made Nov. 7 and my last post was on BCI was Oct. 27. I guess you were lurking before then, but were never man enough to actually call me out?
Although from the looks of it you are in fact actually waterwater, so I guess you did. Well… at least tried to.
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by derbyguy on Dec 13, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I still think UCONN will be included in the ACC if we go to 16
But for now we are sticking at 14.
Now as for the BIGSUNBEASTMOUNTAIN15USACONFERENCE, I think that if they keep an AQ bid, then it is a huge black eye on the CFB. While I understand that conferences are no longer about regional rivalries and academic standing, but having one squad in Kentucky, one in Conn, one in FL, Idaho, and California, this thing is ridiculous. Just plain bad.
They need to release SU and Pitt so they don’t get brought down due to the negative recruiting that will occur, plus so they are not part of the laughing stock of a conference.
Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano
Still don’t think 16 is the end-game. Like the article suggests, if UConn and Rutgers was the ACC’s expansion plan, it would have happened already.
And if Notre Dame is brought in, still think Rutgers gets in over UConn because of the aforementioned football issue.
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No, it wouldn't have happened already. (All due respect to Mr Tank.)
If UConn and Rutgers was the ACC’s expansion plan, it would have happened already.
The ACC left two spots open in September to see what Penn State, Texas and Notre Dame would do. Those schools represented the league’s long-shot Plan A: bring in some football heft. UConn and Rutgers were the high-percentage Plan B: sew up the Eastern seaboard and elbow what’s left of the Big East westward.
Plan B didn’t happen already because Plan Bs wait. First you see how Plan A fares.
At the time, both the Big 12 and Big East were facing disintegration. ACC officials were hearing from member schools like Florida State and Clemson that the next round of expansion needed to bring in more football cred than Pitt and Syracuse did, if such an arrangement could be made.
Things look much different today. The Big 12 and Texas questions are sorted out, Penn State no longer has Joe Paterno looking nostalgically back east. The ACC is down now to seeing what ND does, and to crunching numbers to see how much value Rutgers and UConn could add.
Meanwhile, Notre Dame is getting the answers it needs to make its decision now. It knows the ACC wants all its member schools to be all-in for all sports. It knows the Big East just bought a few more seasons of existence. It knows BCS AQ status may soon become a thing of the past.
ND will show soon enough what it plans to do. Once it does, the ACC can move forward. If ND’s decision does not involve the ACC, as seems likely, the league can move in minutes to Plan B. If it appears that Rutgers and UConn can bring in enough value to justify sharing out two more slices of the pie, the league will invite them. It will then start renegotiating its network deal for its new 16-school inventory.
Rutgers and UConn know all this.
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by Abiaka Windclan on Dec 8, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
16 is not a foregone conclusion without Notre Dame
“If it appears that Rutgers and UConn can bring in enough value to justify sharing out two more slices of the pie, the league will invite them. It will then start renegotiating its network deal for its new 16-school inventory.”
Here’s the rub. I don’t believe either school can. The bar will be raised when the TV deal is renegotiated, and I don’t think either RU or UConn adds the new per-program figure to any TV deal. This is the same reason the Big 12 didn’t go back to … err, 12 by adding Louisville and Cincinnati the latest round. After crunching the numbers, the conference found the existing members would be poorer for those two adds.
Rutgers and UConn know all this. Why do you think they have one foot out the door, and both are putting on lipstick and their hot pants and sending suggestive photos to Notre Dame?
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by b0mberman on Dec 7, 2011 9:37 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Congrats to the Big East
For picking up the pieces, improving the quality of football and setting itself up nicely for a new TV contract with NBC Sports Network.
Now stay aggressive and invite Temple and Memphis to strengthen basketball , and maybe throw a hail mary and try to raid a Big XII (Kansas/K-State) or ACC school or two out of spite.
To borrow Saint Joe’s mantra, The Big East will never die!
List of current ACC schools that will entertain moving to Big East
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by Brian Favat on Dec 7, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why? Maryland sucks. The Terps are the only thing keeping BC from becoming a perennial Atlantic Division basement-dweller.
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As a Maryland alumnus and Terrapin fan...
…I resent that remark. The only thing Maryland has in common with Connecticut is Randy Edsall (whom I’m hoping will soon be a former College Park coach, though I’m not holding my breath).
Trollhard my friend, Troll hard
*I realize in this instance I would be the troll, just don’t understand your dislike of Clemson.
Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano
troll hard?
So, wait, let me see if i understand: A Clemson guy, albeit a normally polite Clemson guy, comes to a BC blog and does not like what a BC guy says so the BC guy is a troll? that does not make sense.
when have i ever said anything about Clemson before?
You do not like my opinion about Clemson? So what. but here is why: Many Clemson fans are quite nice, but overall it is an arrogant program. It is also a highly overrated program. Also Clemson has a kind of ND faded-glory-but-they-do-not-realize-it-yet feel. Are these thoughts offensive to you, the drinker of the Tiger Nation Kool Aid? If you do not like it, go trying talking in a reasoned fashion to DrB or FourFaced! ha! Blind zealots!
I like turtles
can’t come up with a response at this time
Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano
How dumb!
Boise State, SDS, and Houston in the Big East.!! Talk about directionally challenged! The ACC should go after Hawaii now and we can teach our kids that Hawaii is in the Atlantic Ocean!!
I think the ACC should go after Hawaii. 13 total games for 4-5 ACC teams a year and easy conference meeting location.
Done and done.
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