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ACC Division Realignment: Boston College's Future Crossover Rival?

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League officials have stated that when the ACC adds Syracuse and Pittsburgh to the conference (whenever that may be), adding the Orange and Panthers to the existing divisions is far more likely than starting from scratch. If the ACC goes down this route, adding Syracuse and Pitt to the existing Atlantic and Coastal Divisions, David Teel writes that BC and Virginia Tech's permanent cross-over rivalry game may be affected by the final decision.

"If Pitt is deployed to the Coastal and Syracuse to the Atlantic, then they figure to become yearly crossover opponents, as Virginia Tech (Coastal) and Boston College (Atlantic) have been since the Eagles joined the ACC in 2005. But if Syracuse goes to the Coastal and Pitt to the Atlantic, then look for the crossovers to become Tech-Pitt and Syracuse-Boston College."

Teel cites fan-friendliness resulting from geographic proximity as the cause of the permanent cross-over shakeup. Pittsburgh and Blacksburg are separated by 320 miles. Boston and Pittsburgh are 715 miles apart. BC and Syracuse are 310 miles apart, 50 miles closer than Pittsburgh.

Virginia Tech associate AD Tom Gabbard is quoted as saying Tech would "love to have Pitt (as a crossover)," and Teel feels that Virginia Tech and Pitt are almost certain to play each other each season.

"Regardless of division assignments, Virginia Tech and Pitt are almost certain to play each season - the Hokies were 7-4 against the Panthers during their Big East time and are scheduled to play a non-conference game at Pitt next season - either as crossovers or division rivals. The question is whether Tech-Boston College remains an annual affair or is, essentially, replaced by Tech-Syracuse."

I'm not clear exactly why Virginia Tech and Pitt are almost "certain to play each season." Frankly, that seems like a very Hokie-centric view on ACC divisional realignment. Hokies-Panthers is a "rivalry" that is just 11 games in the making. I agree that BC-Virginia Tech has always seemed a little forced as a cross-over rivalry, but the Eagles and Hokies do have nine games on Panthers-Hokies. Even Syracuse has six more games against Tech all-time on the Panthers.

Contrast that to the Eagles, who have faced Syracuse 46 times in school-history (18-28), Pittsburgh 29 times (13-16) and Virginia Tech 20 times (6-14). BC's priority will be to play Syracuse each season, as the two schools have a long-term non-conference series scheduled through 2021.

If the conference does split Pitt and Syracuse, both of those program's priority will likely be to preserve a yearly game with one another. Pitt and Syracuse have played 67 times with the Panthers owning a slight 34-30-3 edge in the all-time series. I doubt either program would be willing to see an long-time series on the gridiron hit the football schedule just once every few years, which would be the case if the conference splits Syracuse and Pitt and adjusts the divisional cross-over games to BC-Syracuse and Tech-Pitt.

What I find interesting here is that the ACC's most dominant football program in the post-expansion era has the least riding on the divisional placement of Pitt and Syracuse.

BC's interest is in keeping Syracuse on the yearly schedule. Syracuse is likely interested in facing both BC and Pittsburgh, and Pitt in keeping a yearly game with Syracuse. Now you have Tech's associate AD stating they'd love to replace BC with Pittsburgh as its permanent cross-over rivalry.

Unfortunately, all of those competing interests can't be satisfied if the ACC decides to separate Syracuse and Pittsburgh. This is why I think you'll see Syracuse added to the Atlantic Division, Pittsburgh to the Coastal, Syracuse-Pitt added as a cross-over rivalry and the rest left unchanged. There's a lot more history and tradition on the line that shouldn't be thrown away in favor of a geographically-convenient rivalry game that feels just as forced as BC-Virginia Tech.

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Dear Lord - Please Let Syracuse be Our New Crossover Rival... if its continued....

Virginia Tech or Syracuse?

Syracuse may be getting better, but BC in 7 ACC seasons is 3-4 in regular season and 0-2 in ACC Title Bunnys.

3-6 or the usual TOB and Spazoo % record versus TOP TEAMS. 33% or less.

We have Syracuse future scheduled already so if they stick with crossover rival games, we could get a break!

6 Atlantic Games // and what I would prefer would be a rotation of 3 of the 7 Coastal and no rival games // so 1 team is not played every 3rd year.

9 conference games is solid and no more Maine’s, UMASS, StoneyBrook’s, Buffalo’s, Kent State’s -- (Opps sorry Dougie) -- and GDF creme filled cupcakes.

Throw in ND long term, and maybe continue with a National Power like Stanford, USC and Texas and Northwestern/Vanderbilt -- and then give Spazoo a nice $3M payoff at the end of 2012 and find the top Coach in America and let him hire his own staff and CLEAN HOUSE -—- and not take GDF staff tunnel guys, cronies and losers like Ryan “Empty Laminated Resume” Day.

Has Ryan Pathetic Day now set the NCAA record for “Times being Passed Over”?

I mean Spazoo has been Hail Mary’ed 5X and 3 completed so maybe he is used to solid opportunities flying by his mug?

by BCEagle74 on Dec 26, 2011 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

Maine and Stony Brook will stay on the schedule. No way GDF removes a guarantee win against a I-AA opponent.

Three non-conference games will be Notre Dame (or BCS AQ), UMass or other MACrificial lamb and the I-AA game.

by Brian Favat on Dec 26, 2011 9:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Schedule

Probably true Brian.

Sad, ain’t it.

PATHETIC ACTUALLY!

BC had a long term home and home versus Texas 3 years ago locked and loaded and chickened out.

When I went to the 27 inning longest 7 hour and 15 minute baseball game from hell in CB history, which we lost to UT, I was jeered and those fans knew BC rejected the UT offer!!!!!

Some of the games might had been at Jerry World’s Barn in Arlington too as a National Tv opener.

DISGUSTIAD!

by BCEagle74 on Dec 26, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there any link on the possible BC and Texas series?

Also, whatever happened to the BC-Stanford series towards the second half of this decade?

by Brian Favat on Dec 28, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

The VA Tech public comment

Sickening, yet expected. And he feels so comfortable about stating this for public consumption.

There is so little good will toward BC in the ACC

by eagleosprey on Dec 26, 2011 9:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The author states that Pitt and Syracuse’s preferences don’t matter as much as BC or VT. And that BC wants out of the Virginia Tech crossover rivalry.

I get why BC wants out, but you don’t just piss away a football series of 67 games in favor of one that is just 11 games old.

Syracuse to the Atlantic, Pitt to the Coastal and Syracuse-Pitt crossover (and all other crossovers stay the same) is the least objectionable alignment. BC-Cuse games will mean more as Atlantic Division contests.

The two schools can also keep the game as the last regular season game as there would be no ACCCG rematch possibility, however improbable. Stop laughing!

by Brian Favat on Dec 26, 2011 9:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

YO Osprey! Come on Man! Wake up!

We understand you, but please make sure you check with GDF and the sad incompetent Yawkey yokels before you post your house tripe!

I mean we would’t want you to miss any free veal parm lunches!

Get real. Syracuse is now a tough game with our offense and pass defense!

VT in teh last 3 games has dominated and crushed BC.

BC is now light years away from any ACC Bunny Title Game, and reality will be swift and horrible early into 2012.

You can’t be serious Osprey?

BC is getting hammered by the superior and classy VT program if you watched the ESPN special - and Spazoo is stuck in 1962 with the Gary Tranquill recipe for disaster mentality.

BC has slipped so far in talent, recruiting is a embarrassing shambles, and our coaching is pathetic.

BC should pray we don’t become irrelevant and end up like Temple did in the old Big East!

Osprey, may a bald eagle pluck your melon and may some facts and sanity fill the hole.

Happy New Year!

by BCEagle74 on Dec 26, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Fellini

C’mon 74. Are you just talking to hear your own blather? I said I do not like VT publicly dissing BC. Nothing else.

Of ciurse BC is way off course and being led nowhere by absolute iIdiots. GDf and Spaz are embarrassments to everything BC stands for.

So what was your offense on EO? decent comments over there but way too much yelling about body parts and body fluids and too many conversations. Fall apart because the regulars are bored and start talking jibberish.

So what is the deal over there?

by eagleosprey on Dec 27, 2011 1:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

lets get syracuse and pitt in here as fast as possible

BC is going to have a very nice schedule each year. lets just hope they don’t look like fools

by joeyfenn on Dec 26, 2011 9:08 PM EST reply actions  

Why will rivalry game. E retained?

Why is It needed with a 9 game ACC schedule? Put Syracuse in Bc division and end rivalry game.

by eagleosprey on Dec 27, 2011 1:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Florida State-Miami

That’s why. So long as those two programs are in separate divisions, I think the cross-over permanent rivalry game will stay.

by Brian Favat on Dec 28, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Rivalries - my take

BC – VaTech isn’t a great rivalry game for VaTech (or BC)- b/c BC is a tough game (this year and the second half of last year excluded) and there’s little history between them anyway – the first time we played VaTech when the Big East started in 90 or 91. The only time VaTech has ever said anything nice about BC is when Beamer pretended he was interested in coaching BC to get a better offer out of VaTech in the late 90s (I think).
The ACC powers that be will stick one of the new schools in each division to get all the schools up north each year (i.e. building the brand in the media-rich northeast).
BC-Cuse is a no brainer to play every year regardless. And if both BC and VaTech want out of the cross-over, they’ll get it and we end up with Pitt too on the sked.

by Lothar17 on Dec 27, 2011 7:30 AM EST reply actions  

I get that if both BC and VaTech want out of the cross-over, it might happen.

But VaTech-Pitt is just as forced as VaTech-BC. Even moreso now that VT-BC have more games under their belt in the ACC. Like BC, Pitt didn’t start playing Virginia Tech until they joined the Big East for football.

What’s missing in this is the fact that Syracuse and Pitt have a strong desire to play one another yearly. If the ACC separates the two, places them in opposite divisions and adjusts the cross-over rivalries to be BC-Syracuse and Pitt-Virginia Tech, the conference will essentially be sentencing Syracuse vs. Pitt — a series with 67 games all-time — to the same fate as Oklahoma-Nebraska.

How’d that work out for the Big 12?

by Brian Favat on Dec 28, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

NC Schools

Is there resistance to putting all the NC schools in the same division?

Orange you glad it's not football season?

by SUMB44 on Dec 27, 2011 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

ACC's most dominant football program in the post-expansion era

you mean VT? I seriously can not tell – but it seems like you mean BC – I am not sure that is most people’s opinion if that is who you meant

Personally, I hope you all get swapped out with GT – and then I dont really care where the two new teams go

that seems to give you all what you are looking for

by 93noleman on Dec 27, 2011 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think you can swap out Georgia Tech for BC now that the Jackets have won the ACC. The whole reason we are keeping these stupid divisions is all in the name of brand awareness / brand equity.

If you are going to swap teams across divisions, I think the conference can only swap out teams that haven’t won the ACC in the post-expansion era. Similar to moves across leagues in MLB. The league isn’t going to move a team across leagues if it has won the World Series. Hence, Houston to the American League. Milwaukee from the AL to the NL.

by Brian Favat on Dec 28, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Pitt-VT

As a Pitt fan, I can definitely get where the VT assoc. AD s coming from. Pitt and VT were really starting to develop a rivalry the last few years before VT left the conference. I know that many Pitt fans would much rather have VT as their crossover game if we were to be placed in the Atlantic.

by ej6687 on Dec 28, 2011 8:47 AM EST reply actions  

Maryland

I expect Maryland to strongly advocate for playing Pittsburgh every year (250 miles apart). Maryland will not want to lose Virginia as their cross-over (130 miles apart), either. So I would expect Maryland to be another team that advocates for Pitt in the Atlantic. Will UVA have the same desire as Virginia Tech to play Pitt every year?

Unfortunately a geographic north-south alignment is probably best for rivalries, but as long as most schools want to have an annual game against one of the Florida teams for recruiting, that isn’t likely to happen until the conference expands to 16 teams (and can do the 9 game pod thing).

by whodoes on Dec 28, 2011 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

rivalry game

One of the reasons Va Tech wants Pitt, is like above poster stated, allthough only 11 games, Pitt and Va. Tech was heating up, mainly due to Pitt beating Va. Tech the last three times they played. Including an embarassing 38-7 drubbing by Pitt.

Can’t have a rivalry if only one team is winning. Kinda like the Steelers rivalry really being Baltimore. They may have played Cleveland more often, but if you’re 2-20 against a team, there isn’t going to be much of a rivalry..

Not sure if BC has beaten Va. Tech, haven’t checked, and not disrespecting BC, I just haven’t checked it out, maybe they have.

But, for some reason, Pitt has Va. Techs number in football, and I’m sure it pisses them off.

by Daniel LaFrankie on Dec 29, 2011 1:50 AM EST reply actions  

No team has beat Virginia Tech in the ACC more than Boston College.

by Brian Favat on Dec 29, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I saw some poster saying BC wants to play their academic peers, and only included teams above them in the US News and World report rankings.

I guess Pitt then, should make sure they play Duke, Georgia Tech, Maryland and Virginia every year, since those four and Pitt will be the only AAU members in the ACC.

I guess the big research universities should play each other??

by Daniel LaFrankie on Dec 29, 2011 1:57 AM EST reply actions  

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