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Why Fans Are Calling For Spaz's Job But Not Donahue's

Jeff: The football team just finished a very disappointing season with a .375 win percentage in conference.  Meanwhile, the basketball team is headed for a season where a .375 season would be a small miracle. BC would have to win six ACC games before the ACC Tournament to achieve the in-conference success that the Eagles football team did this year. Yet, we can tell with certainty right now that there will be no one calling for Donahue's job at the end of this season. Donahue is only in his second season while Spaz is in his third, which does play into things, but not too much if there are no signs of improvement.

Spaz became the football program's third head coach in three years while no casual fan can tell you what year or who Coach Skinner replaced before he became BC's all-time winningest basketball coach. Because of that turnover, Spaz had virtually no seniors this season and played almost all freshman and sophomores. Similarly, Donahue is now playing almost all first-year BC guys this season. Donahue had some things to do with that by encouraging transfers like Brady Heslip to Baylor who is now starting for the ranked Baylor Bears.

BC has been historically better in football than basketball. but both programs experienced significant success in the ACC under their previous coach. So, break it down, why is Donahue safe for probably at least two more seasons while there are plenty of people who won't accept the excuses of injuries and personnel for Spaz and want to see a new head coach tomorrow?

Brian: The difference in treatment between Spaz and Donahue boils down to one key fact not stated above -- Spaz has been here since 1997. Donahue is a BC outsider and actually inherited a roster devoid of any talent.

Spaz apologists love to pretend like he just popped onto the scene in 2009 and takes no responsibilities for any perceived recruiting deficiencies of the previous coaching staff. The thing is Spaz was on the previous coaching staff, helped with recruiting and as such, does not get a complete pass for any weak recruiting classes (say, the 2009 class).

Further, if Coach Spaz and Coach Flip saw any deficiencies with recruiting at the time, then they probably shouldn't have retained the services of recruiting coordinator Mike Siravo.   

Here's a list of key players from the 2007 (mostly TOB), 2008 (Jags) and 2009 (mostly Jags) recruiting classes.

2007: Lars Anderson, Anthony Castonzo, Ifeanyi Momah, Nathan Richman, Mark Spinney
2008: Emmett Cleary, Donnie Fletcher, Montel Harris, Max Holloway, Colin Larmond, Chis Pantale, Ryan Quigley, Kaleb Ramsey
2009: Kasim Edebali, Rolandan Finch, Nate Freese, Luke Kuechly, Ian White, John Wetzel

That is basically this year's entire offensive line, the school's all-time leading rusher, the school's all-time leading tackler, two quality tight ends that were only recently utilized in the current offense, arguably this year's best WR, our offensive MVP (Ryan Quigley) and this year's leading scorer (Nate Freese).

As for transfers, there were more than a couple transfers of the non-academic, non-disciplinary variety, transfers that Spaz and the current coaching staff should take some responsibility. Using the non-disciplinary transfers of players like Josh Haden, Justin Tuggle, Shakim Phillips, Alexander DiSanzo and Dominick LeGrande, etc. as an excuse rings hollow. It's not like the current coaching staff had nothing to do with these transfers, whether it be a disagreement on playing time, treatment of teammates or another cause of friction between coach and player. Even after you factor out the rash of injuries (every program deals with this) and the disciplinary transfers, the cupboard was hardly bare for Spaziani. 

Contrast this situation with Donahue and the situation he inherited and the two situations are hardly comparable.

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Even if Donahue had managed to keep Rakim Sanders in the lineup, he would have graduated by now. As for Heslip and Skinner's 2010 recruiting class that never materialized -- Brady Heslip (Baylor), Papa Samba Ngao (Saint Joseph's) and Kevin Noreen (West Virginia) -- one player was not going to make that much of a difference with the way Skinner set up the recruiting classes. Donahue would still have had to recruit a significant number of players for the 2011 recruiting class to fill the holes on the roster left by seven graduating seniors.

Putting personnel aside for a moment, Donahue at least showed some improvement in the W-L department in his first season. He took a roster of players that won just 15 games and six conference games in 2009-10 and helped the team improve to 21-13 and 9-7 in the ACC, including a return to the postseason. Appreciating the fact that the strength of schedule in ACC play varies from year to year, this is still noteworthy.

Spaz, on the other hand, took an 9-5 program in 2008 and has proceeded to win fewer and fewer games at the helm of the football program -- eight wins in 2009, seven in 2010 and just four in 2011. He's 0-8 against teams ranked in the AP Top 25 after his predecessor more or less owned ranked teams (5-1).

Finally, you just can't help but get the sense that Donahue is building towards something good with the hoops program ... at least on offense. BC's offense last year was incredibly efficient. His defenses so far have left a lot to be desired, but I don't think you can claim that Skinner's teams played any better defense during Skinner's last few seasons on the Heights.

You just don't get the same feeling with the football program. Spaz has made two poor decisions in hiring Gary Tranquill and now Kevin Rogers, and as a result, we've seen the offense plummet to one of the worst in the country. Even the one thing that Spaz does well, defense, has regressed this past season. Recruiting seems off and the offensive line continues to regress under Spaz's (and Sean Devine's) watch. Basically, there are no positive trends that fans can latch onto and give them any sense of hope that Spaziani can turn this thing around.

Jeff: I'm surprised you didn't mention different standards for each program. Most Flynn Fund donations are tied to football success, whether it be for parking or just simply people donating to support the program when they see some success. Donations spiked around the Matt Ryan years while hockey national championships and NCAA Tournament berths don't seem to move the needle much. Is it fair to say that not enough fans care about our basketball program or expect enough out of our basketball program to attempt to demand a change -- as some have attempted with Spaz -- if Donahue does not have measurable success next season?

Brian: Football is by far the most visible sports program at Boston College. Not only are Flynn Fund donations tied to football success, but so too are alumni giving to the University and admissions, if you buy into the "Flutie effect." I've read studies that suggest there is, in fact, a slight uptick in alumni giving with an NCAA Tournament berth (and success in the tournament), but those gains are dwarfed by success in football tied to bowl berths. Clearly there's more pressure to succeed in football over basketball, hockey and other Olympic sports as it has a direct impact to the department's and the school's bottom line.

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posted my comments in the wrong post

see the new mexico game review.

I got a case of the mondays.

by BCRaj on Nov 28, 2011 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

bearing

At first, I thought your comparison of Spaz and Donahue was absurd. Then, as I read, I could see the comparision: two newbie HCs at BC in $$ sports. Boy, talk about night and day.

To me, the difference between the two is all in the bearing of each man.

Donahue is articulate and appears to have a clear plan. he knows how to handle himself. He inspires confidence, You are willing to trust that he is taking the program in the right direction.

Spaz is inarticulate and everything he does is a muddle of medicority — at best. Spaz inspires ZERO confidence and you actually feel the program is headed in the wrong direction.

In the world of writing, it is said that clear writing is the result of clear thinking. If you are not thinking clearly, you will not write clearly,

The same goes for public speaking. If you are inarticulate and mumbling, that is clear evidecne that you are not thinking clearly. Spaz is an embarrassment when he speaks. Everybody cringes when he opens his mouth. And he does not speak poorly becuase he is nervous, he speaks poorly because he does not think clearly

if you add that he “lacks courage” and is “paralyzed with fear”, you have a very good reason to get a new coach

by eagleosprey on Nov 28, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

Donahue

I’m probably one of the few BC hoop fans that’s not totally in love with Donahue. I think the jury is still out on him big time. During the hiring process he wasn’t my first choice. I still wish they went with Ed Cooley (who has the number 11 ranked recruiting class for 2012 at Providence).

With that said, I think it’s way too early in Donahue’s tenure to call for his job. He deserves at least four years. However, since I seem to be in the minority, I’ll list a couple of mistakes I think Donahue has made.

1). The biggest mistake is that there is one true point guard on the roster. I’m not saying Heslip coming back would have resulted in a winning season, but he would have started on this team. Right now, Donahue has guys playing the point who aren’t point guards. Matt Humphrey is pretty much allergic to passing and he’s gotten serious minutes at the point this year. It has the potential to stunt some development of the younger players.

2). The other concern is he recruited one point guard for this class. It’s one thing to competely whiff on a Heslip’s talent level and ask him to leave, but then to practically ignore the position? Remember, Jordan Daniels was a late add to the recruiting class.

3). If Rakim Sanders came back last year, they would have gone to the tournament. Which would have been nice, since best case scenario this team won’t be going to the NCAA’s until this class are juniors (and I’m not even saying that’s a certainty). We aren’t going to the tourney for a while, last year would have been nice and Sanders would have put them over the top.

4). He’s not a good defensive coach. He routinely asks players to do things that they just can’t do. The worst example was last year when he asked Joe Trapani to guard Jerai Grant against Clemson one on one. I just got the feeling he was saying to the players, “it’s ok if grant gets easy looks down low, we won’t give up any open threes because of double teams.”

On a side note, I thought last year’s effort and team was pretty in line with the last few years of Skinner not an improvement. Remember the team lost to Yale, URI and Harvard. The last big Skinner recruiting class didn’t show up for some games under Donahue too.

by tmcgoldrick80 on Nov 28, 2011 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

Coaching street cred

One thing that I failed to mention is that Donahue came into the position with at least some credibility as a head coach. He turned a bad Ivy League program into a three-time conference champ in his final three years with the Big Red and advanced to the Sweet 16 in 2010.

Spaz came into the BC HC position with no credibility as a head coach and has had to make a name for himself at BC. Fans see decreasing yearly win totals and an offense that continues to regress under Spaz’s watch.

by Brian Favat on Nov 28, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm with you, but he deserves a chance. Midway through next season we'll be in a better position to judge

I don’t think the ivy league coaches translate well to real conferences, where you face top athletes day in and day out. These coaches need to be able win series against teams, not just have one-off wins. I’m all for x’s and O’s and effort, but i want kids who can play and a coach who can get effort out of them, not tweeners who play hard.
I was a big fan of cooley when i was at school, just because he was personal and engaged the fans as an asst. He also is said to be a good recruiter/motivator.
I hope Donahue is successful, because i do not want BC to become a revolving door for coaches in basketball and football.

by BCRaj on Nov 28, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope Donahue is successful, because i do not want BC to become a revolving door for coaches in basketball and football.

At least you don’t have to worry about becoming a revolving door for coaches in football. #bestcoach

by Brian Favat on Nov 28, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry should have been more clear, I definitely think we need at least two more seasons before we start calling for Donahue’s job (or praising him for that matter). I had so much to say, I missed my original point. People are so upset with the state of the football team and Spaz, that they are already deeming the Donahue era a success out of their frustration. It’s far to early for that. He’s made mistakes. He’s had some sucessess too though, finding Heckman late, getting in on Anderson early are just some.

I hope he stays and does well too. GDF has a bad enough reputation with coaches. If he fired Donahue before giving him at least four years. no coach in their right mind would want to come to BC.

by tmcgoldrick80 on Nov 28, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

even if spaz leaves next year

thats 3 different coaches in 6 years for football. And when you add mens and women’s basketball, uh oh.

by BCRaj on Nov 28, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The common denominator?

Both were hired by GDF. And while, yes, the jury is still out on Steve Donahue (not my first choice for the gig, but I’ll give him a few years), it has to be in the back of most BC fans’ mind that when GDF had the choice for the two most visible hires for the school, he fanned on both.

And frankly, when football and basketball (and maybe hockey, to a certain degree) move the financial needle, GDF needs to be, and must be, held accountable.

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by Bill Potter on Nov 28, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

In-Game Demeanor

Difference Spaz has neither enthusiasm nor optimism. Donahue is involved and positive. These matter with kids. What is the story on Heslip? How die S D encourage him to leave?

by suffolk eagle on Nov 30, 2011 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

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