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Brian: The Big East could be adding new members as early as next week. The New York Times' Pete Thamel reports that the conference may soon be extending invitations to Boise State, Navy and Air Force as football-only members, and Central Florida, Houston and Southern Methodist

Under the Big East plans now being considered, Boise State, Air Force and Navy would enter the conference as football-only members. Houston, S.M.U. and Central Florida would be added in all sports. Although the potential addition of those programs would dilute the league's strength in basketball, it would add the television markets and recruiting bases in Houston, Dallas and Orlando, Fla.

This will push the number of football playing schools to 12, joining Connecticut, Rutgers, Cincinnati, Louisville, South Florida and West Virginia. It will also give the Big East an opportunity to split into two divisions (to somewhat combat the awkward geography that Boise State and Air Force would create) and host a Championship Game.

Meanwhile, East Carolina, who has been stumping for a Big East invite harder than UConn has been stumping for the ACC, seems like they'll be left at the altar. Or maybe the Big East is keeping ECU in its back pocket just in case the SEC or Big 12 poaches either West Virginia or Louisville.

It is somewhat ironic that back in 2005 -- BC's first season in the ACC -- the Eagles plummeted down the ACC bowl pecking order and were disappointed to be shipped off to Boise to play on the blue turf. In the very near future, Big East teams may have to travel to Idaho to play on the blue turf every other season.

So how you like the new, new Big East for football? Is there now any doubt that Boston College's decision to leave the conference back in 2004 was the absolute right decision back then? Your thoughts?

Jeff: Just because our football team is completely irrelevant in the conference and of course nationally six weeks into the season means you have to ask me questions a kindergartner could answer? Of course there is no doubt now that BC made the right move back then. If some people had doubts prior to this season - fine. You could have made a somewhat intelligent argument that BC playing in the Big East still would some how have been better for the program and for fans. Mainly, they would have had a better chance of heading to a BCS bowl game.

But now that Syracuse and Pitt are in the ACC, you certainly can't make any geographics argument anymore. And with the Big East getting Boise State and Air Force from across the country? C'mon. And with them Navy and UCF? We recently scheduled a home and home series with UCF in a bind. Navy we used to schedule 2-for-1s with. Why would we suddenly be excited about those teams joining the conference?

The Big East is going to have to hold their breath every time a BCS contract is up that the other power conferences don't force out their automatic bid. With the remaining Conference USA and Mountain West schools joining to make one conference, it might be more appealing to the BCS to swap the Big East's auto bid with the Mount USA Conference. They won't do that if Boise State continues to perform as a top 10 team, but if they drop off, it could happen. The Big East has West Virginia and Boise State. If any other team makes the BCS game then sponsors shoot themselves.

Star-divide

Big Finish

Brian: Boston College placed just two players on Phil Steele's midseason All-ACC teams, the lowest total in the conference. Surprised?

Jeff: Not at all. I would not have been completely shocked if it were Kuechly only.

 

Jeff: What did you think of the Eagles on the ice last night?

Brian: They had their chances but came up short. Really looking forward to this season though. Think they are going to be a fun team to watch.

 

Brian: Mark Blaudschun writes that the Eagles aren't as bad as their record indicates. Agree?

Jeff: Agreed. Their record is absolutely awful. They are only sub par to bad.

 

Jeff: With BC football off this week, what game are you paying closest attention to tomorrow?

Brian: To be honest, I think I'm taking the week off from college football. The first half of the season has beat me down.

 

Brian: Through six games, Kuechly is on pace to break the NCAA's single season tackle record. Does he do it?

Jeff: Yes, will anyone be at the game he does it in though? I say no. For his sake hopefully he does it at Notre Dame.

 

Jeff: Over at Shakin the Southland they said in their film review that Rettig "got the s*** beat out of him." Could you summarize it any better yourself?

Brian: Uhh, no.

 

Brian: Last one. At the midpoint of the season, who you got in the ACC Championship Game in December?

Jeff: I'm not going to go against the Hokies until they lose to a Coastal team, so Virginia Tech-Clemson.

 

Pick 5

Jeff:

Miami at North Carolina (-3)
Florida State at Duke (+14)
Clemson (-8.5) at Maryland
Georgia Tech (-7.5) at Virginia
Virginia Tech at Wake Forest (+7)

Brian:

Michigan at Michigan State (-3)
Utah at Pittsburgh (-6)
Navy at Rutgers (-3.5)
South Florida (-7.5) at Connecticut
Virginia Tech (-7) at Wake Forest

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Ucf vs bc

Apparently you guys forgot that BC came down to Orlando and got destroyed by UCF this year. Don’t forget it’s not just about football. UCF has positioned itself to be possibly the best all around sports program in the country. Just wait till basketball starts and UCF holds it’s own vs any Big East school. UCF is ready, not so sure the rest of the country is ready for yet another power house from Florida.

by Tducf on Oct 15, 2011 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

George O'leary revenge.

UCF will be the new ND

funny

but I can see USF becoming something special. Not UCF though

by waterwater on Oct 15, 2011 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

But, but … UCF is a sleeping giant!

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will all those power house programs from Florida, it’s SHOCKING that not a one is ranked in the Top 25 this week.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we are going to use single-game results to puff out our chests, I’m sorta surprised Florida International isn’t getting invited to the Big East over UCF.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

You would think UCF was an ACC member and BC was a C-USA member the way the schools are competing this year.

d-wade=d-ouche

by captainamerica* on Oct 15, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Using single year results FTW, because UCF isn’t just a few years removed from an 0-11 season or anything.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rather have an 0-11 season in 2004 then a 2-10 in 2011. Can’t worry about the past , so enjoy the present and think towards the future.

d-wade=d-ouche

by captainamerica* on Oct 15, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Future looks bright for UCF. Can’t win Conference USA (or the Big East) getting smacked around by SMU.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Touche

you win today’s round. We can revisit this argument another Saturday about whose program is better/crappier.

d-wade=d-ouche

by captainamerica* on Oct 15, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are reports Air Force and Boise State may decline...

…Navy is cool to entering without Air Force (not to mention the Big East’s instability), and Houston and Southern Methodist’s entry is conditional upon everything else happening. As a result, all this “expansion” may result in the mere addition of Central Florida as an all-sports member, and the Big East may be forced to add East Carolina and Temple (take that and like it, Villanova!) on their terms (all-sports membership) merely to keep the football conference alive.

by vp19 on Oct 15, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ve read conflicting reports on Boise State and Air Force. Others are saying that’s a done deal.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

BE needs a new name

Sounds like a good BCI contest!

My first stab: the Big Grab Bag

or the Big Suck

by waterwater on Oct 15, 2011 11:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Big East expansion

They should only add 2 all sports teams to limit basketball members to 16. Unless Temple is added for all sports, the new basketball members will weaken the conference. They should also add 4 football-only members. Houston, SMU and UCF are a joke for Big East Basketball. They should have considered basketball strength when adding all-sports members.

by Timothy Brian Padden on Oct 15, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Big East needs at least 8 all-sports members iirc

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

BC to ACC = Bad Move

Let’s face it, BC sold its soul for 30 pieces of silver to the ACC.

And what did it get? BC will always be the school playing in far-off arenas in front of almost none of its own fans. A cold, rainy winter’s night in Wake Forest, anyone? They gave up easy drives to any number of Big East campuses, not to mention rivalries and tradition. They gave up the student-friendly Funfest that is the BE tournament in Madison Square Garden, and got what? Greensboro Colosseum in March?

A New England Catholic school was never a good fit for a Southern conference. All in all, was there not one wise old Jesuit who could have stood up and spoken for integrity, loyalty, and just plain common sense?

You reap what you sow….

by nyredsox on Oct 15, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

lol, wut?

So BC would have been better off in the Big East playing cold rainy Friday nights in Louisville?

Also, I have a feeling that you won’t be back to apologize when the ACC Tourney moves to the MSG and the BE tourney gets shipped off to the Dunk in Providence.

by AdamBC on Oct 15, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

True. We gave up a number of easy drives to any number of Big East campuses, including:

  • Boise State
  • Air Force
  • SMU
  • Houston
  • South Florida
  • Central Florida
  • Marquette
  • DePaul
  • Louisville
  • Cincinnati

Please stop while you are behind.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many other Catholic schools play Big East football? Oh, right. Zero.
How many other private schools play ACC football? Four

How many commuter schools play Big East football? Six or more in short order.

Yeah, BC was never a good fit in the ACC.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

So….BC left the best basketball conference in Americe - the Big East - to join a sucky football conference with the worst BCS bowl game record in the land. Good move.

Love the way you guys put down the Dunk in Providence. Remember that, when you try to get back to a morning class after a b-ball game in Clemson, South Carolina.

ACC tourney in MSG? Dream on.

And you don’t have to drive to Boise. Their football games are on TV.

But wait. You can probably get BC games from the Southland on that giant dish attached to the top of Conte, right?

BC sports have gone nowhere but downhill since joining the ACC. Enjoy the ride….

by nyredsox on Oct 15, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the lady governor is just hot to trot her Basketball Trophy around the state of North Carolina. You know, take in all the important sights, like…………Oh, I forgot. It’s North Carolina.

by nyredsox on Oct 15, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give BC credit for one thing...

Bc sure hastened the demise of the Big East. Instead of showing some backbone, acting like a leader and turning the ACC down, BC blindly hitched its wagon to the U, following whatever decision Miami like a leech. Some leadership BC showed, making a monumental decision based on following perhaps the sleaziest program in the NCAA. Any commentary on trips to Louisville or Boise is secondary as BC should have tried to hold things together but bailed like spineless weasels.

But hey, give BC credit, they have much more in common with Clemson, Wake Forest, NC State et al, and make a much better cultural fit than they would in the northeast, where hunntin and NASCAR are so popular. Delusional

by NE Expatriate on Oct 15, 2011 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good point

BC has much more in common academically with Boise State, Louisville, Houston, Cincinnati, South Florida and Central Florida than Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest, Virginia, Miami and Syracuse. My eyes have now been opened.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a complete fallacy

Boise State, Cincinnati, Central Florida, Houston, et al are never in the mix if BC stays in the Big East.

Hitching your wagon to the big bad U was more important than staking out your own
 legacy. Syracuse and Pitt are still in the Big East now if BC had not chased the money and the BE would be getting much more $$$ for their next TV contract.

Look, you are doing an admirable job defending your school and convincing yourself and fellow Eagles fans that you did the “right” thing ( greed>power>loyalty); but noone else outside of your circle really buys it, frankly.

by NE Expatriate on Oct 15, 2011 8:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Syracuse and Pitt are still in the Big East now if BC had not chased the money and the BE would be getting much more $$$ for their next TV contract.

This is a joke.

Perhaps Syracuse and Pitt shouldn’t have hitched their wagon to the big bad, immoral Jesuits and instead should have staked out their own legacy and helped save the Big East. #NEExpatriateLogic

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boise State, Cincinnati, Central Florida, Houston, et al are never in the mix if BC stays in the Big East.

Really?

Did BC force Texas A&M to the SEC, forcing the Big 12 to poach TCU from the Big East? Is BC the reason why Louisville and West Virginia are looking at the Big 12? Why West Virginia applied to both the SEC and ACC? Why it took all of 5 seconds for Syracuse and Pitt to sign on the dotted line and join the ACC? Why UConn administrators are working the streets of East Hartford trying to scrape up enough money to continue its public lobbying for an invite to the conference?

Your angst is completely misdirected. You should be angry at the Big East for its complete and utter ineptitude when it comes to running a major college football conference; not at BC or Virginia Tech or Miami or Syracuse or Pittsburgh.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Your angst is completely misdirected. You should be angry at the Big East for its complete and utter ineptitude when it comes to running a major college football conference; not at BC or Virginia Tech or Miami or Syracuse or Pittsburgh.

Perfect summation.

by Eagle in Brighton on Oct 16, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

nyredsox is so 2005...

With SU and Pitt joining the ACC, BC is no longer the outlier it once was. It’s also in a wealthier, more stable and real conference, not a silly, clumsy hybrid.

Eventually the ACC will hold its tournament either at MSG or the Barclays Center in Brooklyn. Ultimately, NYC, Greensboro and other north/south sites (D.C., Atlanta) will alternate.

If the Big East is so tantalizing a conference, why do teams go from the Big East to the ACC instead of the other way around?

by vp19 on Oct 15, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, as your beloved AD so wisely pointed out, the ACC apparently has the blessing and guidance of ESPN advising them to pick apart and destroy the Big East, for starters. I’d say that’s a good reason.

While you all are thrilled, I’m sure that SU and Pitt are joining the ACC, neither is located in the NE corridor and are 5 and a half and 10 hour drives, respectively.

Furthermore the ACC Tournament is NOT coming to NYC, you can rest assured of that, unless UConn and or Rutgers joining your league. Otherwise, no. UNC and Duke won’t allow it and BC and Syracuse abandoned any conference clout when they joined the good ol’ boys. Enjoy the ride.

by NE Expatriate on Oct 15, 2011 7:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’ve been told Syracuse is New York’s College Team.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your comments in this thread make less sense than your username.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda enjoying this

Add some spice to the bye-week.

They’re wrong. Some UConn fans looking to stir the pot. Don’t ban the trolls.

by AdamBC on Oct 15, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda like how the Big East has picked apart and destroyed both Conference USA and the Mountain West? No blood on their hands.

Enjoy the ride.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep telling yourself that

Miami, VT, BC, Syracuse, Pitt. 5 of the 8 2004 era BE football schools poached by the ACC. No other conference has so transparently set out to encroach upon and destroy another conference.

Yet ACC football is still a joke and getting worse and the BE just won’t die. Don’t see them losing the AQ either with the obvious anti-trust and conflict. Granted, this round of attempted BE genocide may have swung the pendulum back to the ACC in terms of basketball power, as much as that disgusts me to admit, but BC’s relevance and chances of success seem to diminish even in this scenario.
of Interest that GDF so eloquently volunteered into the equation.

by NE Expatriate on Oct 15, 2011 8:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ask yourself why the ACC set out to encroach upon and destroy the Big East? Further, ask yourself why five of the six Big East schools of any college football worth happily made the jump?

Answer: complete and utter mismanagement from Providence, who doesn’t have the first clue how to run a BCS football conference.

The Sun Belt could just as transparently set out to encroach upon and destroy the SEC, but no program would leave the SEC for the Sun Belt. There has to be a willingness to leave on the part of the school, which there was for 5 of 8 Big East football programs. Telling.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ACC tournament has been held outside North Carolina numerous times

Three in the D.C. area (two at the old Capital Centre, one at the Verizon Center)
Several times in Atlanta
Once in Tampa

Many ACC schools (including UNC and Duke) do significant recruiting of athletes and students in the NYC area, so there’s no reason they wouldn’t like to have the tourney there from time to time.

by vp19 on Oct 15, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The Big East Tournament should be moved to a more central location. I think my buddy Herbst would agree that this probably makes sense as a cost containment strategy.

I believe the geographic center of the conference is now in Omaha?

Enjoy the ride, err, flight.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither is located in the NE corridor

ACC should have targeted Temple and Villanova instead of Syracuse and Pittsburgh. Own that Philadelphia TV market! #BigEastExpansionRules

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Confederate, Schmederate

Now that they’ve stopped the UNC band from waving Rebel flags and playing Dixie, I can see how all the NASCAR hats, bright pink pants and chewin’ tobacco will actually be a perfect fit in Brooklyn. Yahoo Wahoo’s on the F-train. FSU tomahawk chops on the Esplanade. Orange-and-purple painted South Carolinians changing at Jay Street.

Yes, vp19, you certainly have your finger on the cultural pulse of the ACC in Brooklyn.

And what was the price BC paid in integrity when it agreed to employ its Southern Strategy?

And never mind that it didn’t work, and BC is still just an afterthought in the ACC….

by nyredsox on Oct 15, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now you sound like our head football coach.

Middle, schmiddle

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

ATL's awful pick of the week

Although this is being posted after kickoff, I did pick GT-7 over UVA. I DMd Favat earlier.

by ATL_eagle on Oct 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Clemson bailed Jeff out of an 0-5 performance.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Judas Iscariot signs 2002 contract with Eagles

Yeah, it’s nine years later. How many ACC Championships is that for BC?

But never mind. Good luck with another trip to the Walnut Bowl on a baseball diamond in the outskirts of San Francisco. Oh? You’re not even good enough to make that now? Time to start scheduling Bryant and R.I.S.D

by nyredsox on Oct 15, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Mark Blaudschun? Lenn Robbins?

Clearly of BE intelligence…

by Eagle in Brighton on Oct 15, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Nut Bowl is actually located within the San Francisco city limits. I believe you are confused with the now defunct Silicon Valley Classic.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time to start scheduling Fordham, a program that just started offering a full compliment of I-AA scholarships.

Oh, wait.

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a matter of turf

We think that UMass is not being considered as a possible Big East expansion candidate as UConn will block. #BlaudsTweets

by Brian Favat on Oct 15, 2011 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Big East...Just Memories

As a Uconn fan and alumni…I’m not here to troll, but am sad at the destruction of the BE. I’m 42 yrs. old and think of Rollie, PJ, Carneseca, Dr. Tom, Boehiem. Mullin vs. Ewing, Villanova winning it all, 1982(Nova, BC, Gtown,) make the elite 8, 1984 (Nova, st johns,Gtown) all make the final 4. Uconn dream season, Providence to the final 4. Inverson, Sleepy Floyd, Ed pickney, Ray Allen,Carmello,John Bagley. Taking the train to the BigEast tourney. I was a Sophmore at UCONN, when they won the NIT,which was a big deal since UCONN was always a Yankee conference has been. Although the Huskies have come a long way with their athletic program, I am crushed that the old rivalries and history are gone. Would love to see BC and UConn play again. I think and hope a lot of Eagle fans feel the same way.

by Milo65 on Oct 16, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

Big East basketball and the Big East Tournament at MSG (and BC winning it all one year) were some of the best sporting events during my years in Chestnut Hill. It’s just that that conference is long, long gone.

The BET has never been the same after expansion to 16 teams, and the conference brass completely mismanaged football. Plenty of missteps along the way from BE leadership, well before VT, Miami and BC left.

Great memories of the Big East, no question. It’s just sad that that conference no longer exists.

by Brian Favat on Oct 16, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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