Pac 10 Expansion Green Lighted And Possible Impact On ACC
With the Pac 10 meetings wrapping up today, commissioner Larry Scott has reportedly been given the green light to pursue conference expansion. While Pac 10 expansion isn't necessarily a foregone conclusion, Scott now wouldn't have to go back to the board to invite programs to the conference. Some form of Pac 10 expansion is looking more and more likely.
Multiple sources have reported that Scott is eyeing a number of possible expansion possibilities, but they basically boil down to these four: status quo (unlikely), adding Colorado and Utah to get to 12 and a conference championship, adding six Big 12 schools or a full blown Pac-10 / Big 12 merger to create an almost unwieldy 22 team mega conference.
It also appears that Baylor has replaced Colorado as team number 16 in the aforementioned Pac 16 scenario, thanks to some lobbying from 15 Texas politicos.
Meanwhile, Big Ten officials met today in Park Ridge, Ill. While the conference didn't reach any conclusions on expansion, they did discuss that the Pac 10's latest move may fast track the original 12-to-18 month timeline. The Big 12 also reportedly gave an ultimatum to Nebraska and Missour i (but really, just Nebraska), asking the two programs to decide whether they will remain committed to the Big 12 or pursue joining the Big Ten. It's appears that Nebraska holds the key to whether the Big 12 will remain in tact or break off and join the Pac 10.
If the Pac 10 and Big Ten do go down the path of mutual destruction and expand to 16 teams, would the SEC and ACC do the same? As Gobbler Country points out, opinions on this vary from the SEC and ACC standing pat to feeding four extra mouths so that Slive and Swofford's Schwartz would be as big as Scott and Delany's. At this point, I'm more of the belief that the SEC will stand pat rather than attempt their own 4-team expansion. There are a few reasons I think this, but largely it comes down to the differences in business models between the SEC ESPN/CBS TV rights model and the Big Ten Network/Pac 16 Network model. In addition, while bigger might be better in terms of TV revenue, it might not be better in terms of landing teams in the BCS National Championship Game.
Let's say for a moment that the SEC does decide to expand to 16 teams. What does this mean for Boston College and the ACC?
Will BC be invited to join the SEC?
Seriously? Next question ...
Can the ACC survive the loss a program? Two programs?
I believe so. If the SEC poaches Florida State or Georgia Tech, the ACC can counter with adding Syracuse and Connecticut. As crazy as it sounds, Notre Dame might even be an expansion candidate at this point. If the Irish feel that their independence is threatened by a race to join one of 4-5 power conferences, the Irish could find safe haven in the ACC as the anti-Big Ten. This option probably becomes more appealing if the ACC loses Florida State and Clemson and retains Georgia Tech and Miami, as Notre Dame has much more football history with the latter programs.
Can the ACC survive the loss of four programs?
This gets interesting. If the SEC pulls a move like the Pac 10 did, and invites four ACC programs (say, Florida State, Miami, Clemson and Georgia Tech), the incentives become much greater for those teams to jump to the SEC gravy train. The ACC would then have to decide whether they should respond by adding 4 teams to get back to 12, or think bigger and expand to 16. The problem with a 16-team conference is the attractive programs thin considerably. Adding four, I think the conference takes a good look at Syracuse, Connecticut, Pittsburgh and West Virginia (warts and all). Adding eight, it gets really messy, with the ACC considering schools that come with significant academic baggage (South Florida, Cincinnati, Louisville or Memphis).
Would BC be left out in the cold in terms of the BCS?
Not likely. When BC moved from the Big East to the ACC along with Virginia Tech and Miami, the Big East's status as a BCS football conference was in serious jeopardy. Even if the ACC lost four programs, the football quality of the remaining ACC programs is infinitely better than it was when the Big East was left with 5 football schools. Reload on Big East leftovers and I think the ACC's status as a BCS conference persists going forward.
Should you be concerned about this? A little. But BC is in an infinitely better position than programs like Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas and the entire Big East. Set the ACC Demise Threat Level at Elevated.
Should the ACC be proactive in terms of conference expansion?
It might seem like the right course of action, considering the ACC was out in front of all this conference expansion stuff in 2003. But as we saw above, there is a short list of really attractive expansion candidates for the conference. There's no way that the ACC is coaxing a current SEC or Big Ten program to move over to the ACC given the substantial difference in TV revenues. That short list of non-SEC, non-Big Ten ACC expansion targets is limited to the most attractive of the Big East's two-sport programs. Among those, Syracuse, Connecticut and Pittsburgh seem like the most attractive programs.
Plus there's not a whole lot to be gained by the ACC in terms of TV revenue. The ACC is now locked into their ESPN TV deal and don't stand to gain the same amount of added revenue as the Big Ten Network and possible Pac 16 Network stand to gain in terms of increased subscriber base.
What is the simplest scenario in all this conference realignment chaos?
Nebraska and Missouri pledge allegiance to the Big 12 and the Big 12 remains largely in tact. The Pac 10 forgoes four team expansion, opting instead to add Utah and Colorado to get to 12 teams and a conference championship. Big 12 backfills with TCU. Notre Dame wakes up to find that the future revenue streams of the BTN are too great to pass up, and join the Big Ten as the twelfth team. Delany is content with just 12 teams. Boise State joins the Mountain West but with the loss of TCU, just misses out from becoming an automatic qualifying BCS conference. SEC, ACC and the Big East remain in tact. Note, however, that even in the simplest scenario, BCS conference expansion happens. The wheels have been set in motion and I think both the Big Ten and the Pac 10 reached the point of no return when Chip Brown broke the Pac 16 story.
What is the most far-fetched scenario?
Pac-10 and Big 12 merge to create a 22-team, college football-only mega conference. Not to be outdone, the SEC and ACC merge to create a 24-team conference. Big Ten picks up Notre Dame and their choice of the Big East. The Big East leftovers handpicks the most attractive Conference USA and MAC teams to get to whatever number of football programs they think is appropriate. We're left with three BCS conferences (Pac 22, Big 16, SEACC) and two orbiting on the periphery (MWAC and Bigger East).
How do I see this playing out?
As I noted above, some sort of BCS conference expansion is inevitable. The extent of expansion depends largely on what the Presidents of Texas, Nebraska and Notre Dame decide. If the Big 12 doesn't implode, I think you'll see both the Pac 10 and Big Ten go to 12 teams with no other tectonic shifts in the college football landscape. If the Pac 16 happens, I think the Big Ten also moves to 16 teams, taking Nebraska, Missouri and three Big East programs / Notre Dame. I think that will be the extent of it, however, with the SEC and ACC standing pat at 12.
I remain intrigued and concerned.
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We're not locked into the ESPN deal til its signed.
And its not signed. ESPN will walk on this deal if the ACC gets 4 teams poached.
My bet is that one side is stalling with legalisms or this would already have been signed and sealed.
Kudos on the Spaceballs reference

I see your Schwartz is as big as mine…
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Opportunity for the ACC
The ACC has established a geographic dientity: the 13 origina colonies plus Florida. I see an opportunity for the conference to expand in a way that would make for strength and stability over the long haul. Of course, the cards fall the right way.
Reports have the Big Ten+ adding Nebraska and Missouri. If that happens, the Pac-10 gobbles up six teams. But the most recent reports have those six teams as including four Texas schools. If Colorado really gets left out of Pac-10 expansion for th likes of Baylor, the Big Ten+ may find it appealing to add Colorado as well. It’s AAU school with the Denver market supporting it, and it has a history with Nebraska and Missouri.
The Big Ten+ will still be trying to add Notre Dame. And, of course, it wants Texas and might still try to pry the Longhorns from the Pac-10. It’s looking more and more as if the Big Ten+ will expand mainly through the middle regions of the US. It appears likely only to asdd one school from the east, if any.
This presents an opporutbity for the ACC to fill the geographical hole between Boston College and the rest of its membership. The ACC could expand to 14 or 16 teams and make a solid north-to-south league that includes important populated areas and their TV sets. The most exciting and appropriate targets for ACC expansion look like Syracuse, Rutgers, Pittsburgh, and Connecticut. You’d build an even more exciting league for both football and basketball and a distinguished one for academics. You would solidy the league’s geographical identity and, over the long haul, bring in some serious money.
If the SEC reacts to Pac-10 and Big Ten+ expansion mainly by standing pat, as it seems likely to do, and if the Big Ten+ expansion is through the middle of the country more than the east, as it appears it may be, the momentum after that moves to the ACC.
Let’s see if the ACC takes it.
Abiaka Windclan
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Abiaka has nailed the ideal scenario for the ACC and I hope it happens. I really cannot see an SEC raid of ACC schools already in the SEC media markets to be financially sensible for the SEC, so if the Texas schools go to the Pac-16, then I think the SEC does stay pat at 12.
The question is will the Big Ten take Rutgers, Syracuse and/or Pittsburgh? Would they dare try for Maryland?
My guess is that if Notre Dame insists on retaining its independence, and the Big Ten takes Nebraska and Missouri, they will take only one of those Big East schools (likely Rutgers or Syracuse) and hold at 14 to save space for Notre Dame in the future. Then the ACC could execute your plan by substituting West Virginia (So we have a Tier 3 institution. They travel well.) for Rutgers or Syracuse.
The Big Ten could decide to go to the 16-member paradigm immediately however, and take 3 (probably Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers) along with Nebraska and Missouri. The ACC would almost surely do nothing but may possibly take UConn and West Virginia.
If the Big Ten can get Notre Dame now and Notre Dame insists on stopping at 12 as a condition of membership, they will stop at 12. The ACC could have its choice but may not act at all, believe sanity has been restored and 12 is the right number. The latter option is not forward thinking but no one ever said the ACC was really all that strategic. They prefer tradition and familiarity.
IF the Big Ten can get Notre Dame with Notre Dame agreeing to the 16-team model, AND the Big Ten decides on Nebraska and Missouri to appease the western schools, they will take two Big East Schools (probably Rutgers and Syracuse) and reach the magic 16. The ACC would be tempted to offer UConn and Pitt for 14.
The real problem could come if the Big Ten decides the western schools are not as valuable as eastern markets and decides to start digging for ACC schools, of which only Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke and Georgia Tech are AAU. My guess is Maryland could be tempted, especially if they are convinced that the SEC would raid the ACC’s southern half.
That creates a problem for the ACC getting to 16. (UConn, Pitt and West Virginia would make 15. Could the ACC stomach a second Tier 3 school? Louisville?) That probably won’t happen and the ACC will stay at 12. (I believe Syracuse and UConn need to come together for a host of reasons including basketball income from ESPN.)
Some observations
In your teams the SEC might be looking at I think Virginia Tech is an option to replace one of the four mentioned.
You also looked only to the Big East for expansion. East Carolina, Memphis, S. Miss, Central Florida and Troy could all be potential candidates.
I am cautiously optimistic that we are on the edge of a 5 super conference realignment with the PAC 16, Big 16, SEC, ACC and MWC (with Big 12 remnants and a few stragglers) paving the way. This would include 80 teams, including the thorns in the BCS’ side.
C-USA might survive as a sixth mega conference if it raids the WAC and Sun Belt. The WAC could even survive as a legacy 9 team conference with a few FCS additions like Montana,
What might get interesting is if the Big 12 remnants convince the MWC to go after Cincinnati. The MWC and ACC could get into a bidding war for the Bearcats.
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Academics matter
I didn’t look at ECU, Memphis, Southern Miss, and Central Florida due to primarily academic concerns.
People are right to point out that this is all about the money, but athletic revenues are just one part of the equation. I think you have to think more broadly about the types of money involved.
Money from college athletics is certainly substantive and helps subsidize a lot of a universities operations. But money in the form of charitable giving, grants, scholarships and the university endowment are probably even more substantial to the long-term health of a university. Associating with other strong academic institutions raises the profile of your school’s academics, generating more demand for students to attend. With increased demand comes better calibre students, raising the profile of the school (allowing them to charge more for tuition), and producing graduates who will give back a portion of their lifetime earnings to that institution, filling the coffers of a university’s endowment.
College athletics are currently being driven by money, but so are academics. At the end of the day, college athletics is just one of the many revenue streams for schools.
While academics don’t seem to be a concern to the Pac 10 in expansion, they are a concern for Texas, the Big Ten and (without question) ACC schools like Duke and North Carolina.
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FSU and N.C. State are the academic outliers of the ACC. That being said, they have climbed the rankings from being a member of the ACC.
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