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Brian: Lots of the Big Ten expansion rumors these days involve some combination of these teams - Notre Dame, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Missouri or Nebraska. Yet sports writers and bloggers will sometimes try to throw other names against the wall to see if they’ll stick. One of those programs just so happens to be ours.

Every once in a while, BC’s name will be thrown into the ring as a possible candidate for Big Ten expansion. Last week, it was ESPN's Adam Rittenberg floating BC as a possible expansion candidate. Just yesterday, there was another article considering BC’s candidacy from Lehigh Valley Live:

"BC gets great TV ratings, generates the most revenue of any candidate named, besides Texas, according to a good analysis I've seen on the web, Massachusetts is choc-a-bloc of wealthy households, BC would probably be the best academic institution in the BigTen if added, (not being in the AAU simply means BC, like ND and every other Catholic school, considers its most important mission undergrad education).

Topping on the cake: BC adds the national champ hockey team, giving the B11 enough critical mass to form it owns hockey league. No way BC goes without other northeast schools, though."

Let’s say for a moment that you like the idea of Boston College to the Big Ten. What aspects of this move would you like, and under what circumstances (Big Ten expansion by 1, 3 or 5 and other considerations) would you approve of a BC move to the Big Ten?

Jeff: If the Big Ten expands by one team to get to twelve - and a lucrative football championship game - I have no idea why BC would be the twelfth team. Also, if BC was invited, there might be increased exposure for football, but not basketball or other sports. A move like this certainly would not help alleviate BC travel concerns either. The Big Ten school closest to BC would be Penn State which would be no closer than Maryland is now.  Beyond Penn State, the rest of the schools would require plane trips to, just as it is with the ACC now.

However, If the conference expanded by 3 or 5 teams, the excitement and buzz surrounding an expanded Big Ten would have so many fringe benefits that could outweigh the negatives (negatives being playing in a lesser basketball conference and against schools that are not as consistent in academic standards). BC could not say no to the Big Ten if they ask BC to become its 14th or 16th member. BC could reap benefits of moving to such a conference for years to come.

The Big Ten Network, which has had unprecedented success, is also another strong selling point for the conference right now. Their success however, will probably just lead to other conferences following suit and eventually all having their own networks.

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Brian: I think that if BC was invited as the twelfth member of the Big Ten, the Eagles should still go (however unlikely-to-impossible this scenario may be). I like to think that the Eagles could be equally competitive in football, making the Championship Game every few years, and even more competitive in basketball.

The revenues from the Big Ten Network would be substantial, and with ESPN and CBS already having scooped up the SEC, it remains unclear what the future ACC television deal will look like. With the BTN, BC would instantly become part of a successful TV network. While other conferences could follow suit, I still think the Big Ten and the SEC will enjoy the benefits of being first-movers in the TV game longer term.

There are probably also some benefits with respect to recruiting, as BC would no longer be competing with southern schools in sports like football and baseball where weather can play a factor in a recruit's decision.

In my opinion, the most interesting aspect of BC moving to the Big Ten would be the potential to start college hockey’s preeminent conference. A hockey conference of Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State and Boston College would immediately become one of, if not the, top conference in college hockey. And if you lived in a Big Ten Network area, you’d be able to watch all the conference hockey games on BTN. Not only would this TV exposure be great for BC fans, but it would also be great for the sport in general.

Now that we’ve talked about the likes, what don’t you like about this idea? Why shouldn’t BC consider a move to the Big Ten?

Jeff: BC should not consider a move to the Big Ten if the ACC remains relatively unaffected by the falling dominoes of conference realignment. Also, if the ACC is affected and plans on replacing any of the lost teams (like a Clemson) with a Connecticut or a Syracuse to get more of a presence in the northeast, BC should also stay put. I am not saying that either one of those scenarios are particularly likely, but BC should not be bouncing around conferences just for the sake of bouncing around. The ACC will benefit from having the same 12 member schools for an extensive period of time. BC would also stand to benefit from being in the ACC for a longer period of time with respect to football and basketball attendance as rivalries develop and opposing team's fans make the trip to Chestnut Hill and decide to make such a trip an annual or semi-annual event.

Going to a 16 team Big Ten is something that BC cannot say no to if invited, but otherwise, there could be reasons to stay in the ACC.

Brian: I agree that there are a lot of reasons why BC should consider staying in the ACC if asked by the Big Ten to join. Chief among them is preserving their existing and budding rivalries. Even though BC only gets to play them every third year or so, BC-Miami is still a decent rivalry that goes back to our days in the Big East. The BC-Virginia Tech rivalry has only intensified since both programs moved to the ACC. Finally, but to a lesser degree, BC's games against our Atlantic Division opponents have started to feel like budding rivalries (e.g. Clemson in football, Maryland in basketball).

BC would be better served not chasing BTN dollar signs if it meant throwing away these rivalries, with nothing to show for them on the other side. Now, like you said, if Syracuse, Connecticut, Pittsburgh or Notre Dame were waiting for the Eagles in an expanded Big Ten, this is another story. BC could be incentivized to walk away from rivalries with Virginia Tech, Miami, Clemson and others in the ACC if it meant renewing rivalries with schools like Syracuse, Pittsburgh and/or Notre Dame.

Of course, I don't think BC ever makes a move to the Big Ten. Nor do I think an invitation to join the conference is imminent. But until the Big Ten definitively outlines their plan for expansion, every so often you may continue to hear BC's name mentioned as a possible expansion target.

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As the guy who wrote that comment that then got featured on Lehigh Valley yesterday, I’m a little flattered (well, not really) but it shows how the BigTen expansion mill has become an echo chamber. I wrote that comment originally in response to some BC bashing in the comments section of another Lehigh Valley story, and in turn some of the assertions I made are based on comments of other bloggers (the ratings and the money estimate) that seemed legitimately thought through. I guess I should just accept BC bashing comes with the territory and ignore it rather than keep the rumor mill churning, but I think there is a legitimate case for BC being considered if the Big Ten goes mega. I personally don’t think they will and 12 is the biggest they go. Also, Wisconsin’s Barry Alvarez said recently any of the recent rumors are pure speculation. So maybe go back to December and we’re likely closer to what may be under consideration – mainly Notre Dame. But, curiously, the BC, ND, & Rutgers rumor came out then too.)
I think BC is best in the ACC, personally (but I’d love to see Syracuse with us). Honestly, I’m a little embarrassed by contributing to the echo chamber – it seems like such a UConn fan thing to do.

by Lothar17 on May 5, 2010 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Classic
Honestly, I’m a little embarrassed by contributing to the echo chamber – it seems like such a UConn fan thing to do.

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by Brian @ BCI on May 5, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

When the conference first started talking expansion, I honestly thought it was to put Big Ten back in the spotlight since they don’t play football for six weeks between the regular season and bowl season. The more this thing drags on, the more it seems like the Big Ten isn’t in any rush to make a decision.

Case in point: Yesterday, Wisconsin and Illinois agreed to move back their regular season football games to December in 2011 and 2012. When, exactly, are they gonna play a Big Ten Championship Game? Granted, conference realignments happen slowly, but it’s a curious move to say the least. This also happens to be a pet peeve of mine. If your conference doesn’t play a conference championship game, you shouldn’t be allowed to play regular season games in December to steal some of the spotlight from the conferences that have a legitimate championship that weekend (cough, Big Ten, Big East, Pac-10, cough).

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by Brian @ BCI on May 5, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never gonna happen!!

Setting the money aside, again, listen to me, setting the money aside…..BC to the ACC was one of the worst moves in college sports history. Admit it, be not afraid. It’s awful, geographically we connect with………..no one……….budding rivalries? C’mon. Only rival is Miami, and we hold on to that because of a pass 25 years ago. Our only hope is that UCONN gets snubbed by the Big 10, and gets asked to join the ACC. Also, WVU to the ACC is the domino effect ever starts rolling would be nice. We are non-relevant, wavering in a field with no one watching. Pitt and Syracuse, if asked, will be having the last laugh, financially and relevently!! Shame on our admin, oh, you were progressive, ahead of your time, huh?? Really clever, knew better than others, huh???

by ITSGETTINGNEARDARK on May 5, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Worst moves in College Sports history?

Well I stopped reading after you said that because you obviously has absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

And please stop pretending you are a BC fan, we can all read your post history. You obviously aren’t a BC fan.

by totheights on May 5, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pathetic

At least put on a believable GDF mask or something.

This makes me want to go on the UCan’t board and complain about my worthless degree, or the UWV board and complain about my sister/girlfriend/oral hygiene problem(s).

by BCMike22 on May 5, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

from a pure fan perspective

Under very few cicrumstances would i even consider the move to the Big Ten. For me the brand of basketball in the ACC wouldnt be something i would want to part with, and im still holding on to a little hope that Donahue can take our 7 man roster and compete.
Football- while i would love to travel to some new football stadiums, the midwest doesn’t scream tons to do. I’ll stick with the warm weather southern states for now.

Hockey- to be honest i dont really care, i start following hockey in the post season.

Soccer- an often over looked sport, has been quite competitive in the ACC. I like the fact that the powerhouses in the ACC for both men’s and women’s continue to make our incoming classes stronger.

I don’t exactly know what it would take for the Big Ten to pull us away from the ACC, but taking Rutgers, Syracuse and ND doesn’t do it for me.

by BCRaj on May 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

No one even knows we're alive!!

What rivalries, we have none!! We haven’t been accepted in A.C.C. basketball, matter of fact, the original schools still despise us, because we have helped water down the league. I can go to the South anytime, don’t need a football game to do that. Now, to only have a football game of significance!!! Bleed on maroon and gold!!!!

by ITSGETTINGNEARDARK on May 5, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Would have been a great time.............

Perfect time to get some pub too, Red Sox suck, Pats suck, Celtics….who watches pro basketball….Bruins, ok, but they haven’t been in it for so long, it’s gonna take people awhile to get back into it…….if we hadn’t made that dumba** move, we would be in the talks, but, alas, we shall wallow here, no one in college football or basketball caring about us, wait, stop, to care, you must know about, not known about, can’t care!!!!!
Well, at least we have the beanfart tourney!!!

by ITSGETTINGNEARDARK on May 5, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

The "Getting Boston to care" fallacy

It’s never going to happen. BC is a small, private Catholic school in a city filled with universities. If you didn’t go to BC and live in Boston, you just aren’t going to care.

Regardless, the future $$$ in college sports is about the size of the TV market. Nothing else. Not in-game attendance, not local media buzz, not even how competitive your programs are.

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by Brian @ BCI on May 5, 2010 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's a co-worker!

Sorry, I will make him get his own title. Yes, he is a BC guy, and very frustrated. I’m a Pitt guy, I have no animosity towards B.C.. Actually, I’d like to know, why, the B.E. did not want Penn St. years ago. I know, why hash old stuff, but, could you imagine a football conference of,
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Penn St.
Pitt
BC
Syracuse
UCONN
WVU
Rutgers
Va. Tech
Maryland, perhaps, never have been happy in ACC
Villanova, perhaps, over time, could have been div 1 football easily by now, had this happened 20 yrs ago, Maybe a couple teams I’ve failed to mention.
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Fantasy I know, but it is what should be
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It would have been a powerhouse, as the East deserves. Maybe it was the Pitt-Penn St ticky-tack crap, Pitt joined B.E., Joe got snubbed, Joe got ticked (rightfully so, I admit as a Pitt fan), now, we have this mess. I only know one thing, a bunch of people blew it 25 years ago. Who knows, could have even had the nice 16 team hoops, 10 or 12 football, and reverse the situation, add 4 “basketball only” schools. G-town, St J. etc. etc.

by ITSGETTINGNEARDARK on May 5, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I maintain that Villanova could help the Big East be proactive in expansion by making the jump from I-AA to I-A. They are coming off a I-AA National Championship so there is clearly talent within the program.

They’d probably fare even better than Temple when they were in the Big East, and could easily share Lincoln Financial Field with the Owls on alternating Saturdays.

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by Brian @ BCI on May 5, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Penn St and Big East

I think Penn St was rejected for basketball because they never were very good up until that point. When they wanted to do a football league around that time, I believe Penn St wanted a Big 12- like set-up, i.e. the better teams keep the lion’s share of the dollars, which I believe, the other eastern schools JoePa wanted didn’t want to do.

by Lothar17 on May 5, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds about right!!

Ya know, Pitt & Penn St. people still fight about who was wrong, who did what, and when!!! A lot of people may not remember this, but, in the 70’s and 80’s, the Pitt – Penn St. game was one of the two or three most highly rated rivalries on the tube. Every Friday afternoon, after Thanksgiving, right there with OSU-MICH, TEX-Tex AM etc. etc. Don’t yell at me, not saying the best, just saying, it was one of the main ones. What a shame, now they don’t play at all. PSU offered Pitt a 2 for 1 years back, Pitt told them to pound salt. That was a good move, because at the time, Pitt football was very mediocre. Now with the hoops where it’s at and the football coming on stronger each year, ya, pound salt. As for BC, who knows where this will play out, good luck in the ACC, who knows, Pitt and WVU could end up there, crazier things have happened. All I know is, that it’s musical chairs, and you def. do not want to be one of the ones left standing.

by ITSGETTINGNEARDARK on May 5, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe Pitt could end up in the ACC, but West “By God” Virginia? WVU brings nothing to the table, the least of which include academics (tier 3 school) and TV markets (really the only thing that matters).

I’ll give you that stranger things have happened, but there’s a reason why WVU hasn’t made anyone’s list for possible Big Ten expansion candidates.

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by Brian @ BCI on May 5, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reading through the comments, are some people still bitching about leaving the Big East? Really? It was 5 years ago; let it go.

Soaring to Glory: Come for the BC sports, stay for the asinine rants.

by SoaringtoGlory on May 6, 2010 1:38 AM EDT reply actions  

What are the odds?

When is all of this supposed to go down? I keep hearing all kinds of other rumors which would have seemed liked pure insanity prior to all of this hype: “Arkansas is going to the Big-12.”

by WrongSports Shirts on May 6, 2010 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

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