Conference Realignment: What do you think about this scenario?
Conference expansions has been a hot topic as of late and I was reading somewhere that suggested the expansion could turn into conference realignments. This is how the ACC looked from a football standpoint:
| ACC North | ACC South |
| Boston College |
Clemson |
| Maryland | Duke |
| Pittsburgh | Florida State |
| Rutgers | Georgia Tech |
| Syracuse | Miami |
| Virginia |
North Carolina |
| Virginia Tech |
N.C. State |
| West Virginia |
Wake Forest |
If this took place I guess the scheduling would consist of everyone playing each other in their division then either rotating or having a rival to face in the opposing side. I personally don't like the idea of the whole "mega-conference" thing and would rather keep a 12-team conference but both have their pros and cons. I just wanted to know what you guys think about it.
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SI's Andy Staples had a slightly different take ...
Substituting West Virginia for UConn (and sending WVU to a mega-SEC where they probably belong).
As Staples mentioned, I think drastic, 16-team conference realignment actually benefits the pro-BCS crowd, so I wouldn’t be for this proposal.
If a conference did move to 16 teams though, I would rather have a team only play 7 division games that count towards the standings. Teams would be free to schedule teams from the other side of the conference, but those wouldn’t count towards the division race standings. This would even out the schedule, doing away with the cross-division rivalry games. Besides, I don’t really see any rivalries disappearing with the above realignment. Maybe BC-Miami or BC-Clemson, but we’d just see them in the ACC Championship Game.
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Intresting setup
Out of this entire proposal I would really only want to make sure we could play VPI every year (no offense BC).
It probably would help the pro-BCSers but if it worked the way Brian mentioned, many pro playoff folks could potentially be made happier as well because the essentially has two sub-conferences within one mega conference. And to make it to a championship game, you must win the round-robin which eliminates some controversy. Winning the mega conference would put you in a BCS game which should only include mega conference champions. Then once the BCS bowls would be set, more arguments would set in but there will never be an argument free system in CFB.
The college football season is so fragile. It's like a glass ball being pushed around from stadium to stadium by a rhinoceros.
by Winfield Featherston on Feb 18, 2010 11:27 AM EST reply actions
There are holes in what I said yes, but maybe I just want to get back to bigger round robins….
The college football season is so fragile. It's like a glass ball being pushed around from stadium to stadium by a rhinoceros.
by Winfield Featherston on Feb 18, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Round robin is important, especially with so few games in a college football season. The way it is currently set up in inequitable.
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by Brian Favat on Feb 18, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot about the Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech rivalry. Mea culpa, boys.
The way I think about this, only the 7 division games count towards who wins each division. That leaves 5 games where teams can schedule whoever they want non-conference, including teams on the other side of the conference. Also, no more I-AA cupcakes. You have to schedule your 5 non-conference games with teams on the other side of the conference or other BCS mega-conferences.
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by Brian Favat on Feb 18, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Mega-conferences
I like the idea of playing a lot of those teams. Pretty cool stuff but travel is a bitch. All of those North teams are fly-only travel plans for GT fans except for VT/UVA.
I guess I’m trying to be more of a minimalist lately. Reduce consumption and such. Seems like a lot of jet fuel to burn. Conferences really should work towards realigning geographically and setting up a playoff. It’s a much greener and efficient way to do CFB. Maybe not the most exciting or heritage-filled method but it’s gonna be an issue as energy costs continue to rise disproportionately with American salaries.
I spun around... and there I was, face-to-face with a six-year old kid. Well, I just threw my guns down and walked away. Little bastard shot me in the ass.
Under the 7 division game scenario, GT wouldn’t travel to any of the ACC North schools (except VT if you want to schedule them as a non-division race game). You would only face any of those teams in the ACC Championship Game in, say, Charlotte.
This proposal is indeed green friendly.
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by Brian Favat on Feb 18, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
With 4 mega-conferences...
How much controversy do you think would happen with the teams who wouldn’t make the cut to join one?
A ton.
There’s 66 (65 + Notre Dame) teams in BCS conferences …
And 64 slots in a 4 conference, 16-team uber-conference world. At least 2 would be left out in the cold.
And oh, by the way, this doesn’t even include strong non-AQ programs like TCU, BYU, Utah and Boise State.
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I agree
That’s one of the reasons why I don’t see It happening, but I guess to solve this they could make another megaconference or indepents but then the whole bcs controversy would come in play and nothing would be solved. (except cupcake scheduling)
And for something completely different ...
I’ve been thinking about this for some time now. If you really want to get radical, I believe conference expansion isn’t the solution but rather conference contraction.
What if you had four divisions of college football. 6 divisions with 10 teams in each division. Each team plays a round robin schedule of 9 games, plus 3 games against teams from other divisions from the top level.
College football looks like this:
Division IA (top division) – 6 conferences of 10 teams
Division IAA – 6 conferences of 10 teams (which incorporates the rest of the 120 in DI)
Division IAAA – 6 conferences of 10 teams from current I-AA
Division IAAAA – 6 conferences of 10 teams from current I-AA
In the top division, there’s no conference championship games. Rather you take the 6 conference winners and 2 at-larges and have an 8 game playoff.
For fun, you could also implement promotion and relegation from one division to the next just like the EPL. This would certainly mix things up, no?
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Woah
That’s really cool how that all flows together, only problem is there’s 60 teams there, how could that be fixed?
The 60 in the top division could be determined from the last few year’s results. Teams 61+ would be able to play their way into the top division with promotion. Similarly, the bottom teams in the top division would be relegated to the lower division the following year.
So long Iowa State, Baylor, Washington State, etc.
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If it doesn't realign and actually expands...which is looking more likely...
Pac-10: Arizona, Arizona State, California, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon St., Stanford, UCLA, USC, Utah, Washington, Washington St.
Thats what all the bloggers are saying it would look like…that would make the Big 12 have 11 and then they would have to get a team, geographically the best team with a legit shot would be TCU, if they join the Big 12 it would look like: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St., Mizzou, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St. Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and TCU.
Then of course, Big Ten would need to expand…It could be simple and just take Notre Dame and that would be that, but of course Notre Dame would have to be difficult and want to keep it’s “rivalries” and huge TV deal so they could take a Big East team or Nebraska, probably Nebraska…then an even bigger mess cuz now Big 12 needs another team and Big East still hasn’t expanded, not to mention the MWC has a huge hole with TCU and Utah leaving… realignment might actually be the simpler choice thinking about it…
Notre Dame to the Big Ten is a non-starter.
If the Big 12 were to expand, I’m pretty sure you would see them nab Arkansas and pass on TCU. Seems like BCS conferences would much rather expand by taking other BCS conference teams, especially a conference as strong in football as the Big 12.
If that was the case, then I think you would see Clemson go to the SEC … with the ACC backfilling with …?
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Probably a Big East team
Some team more north like Pitt or UCONN is what I think they’d do or they could take a different approach and add East Carolina, Louisville or someone like that…
by Jiftastic on Feb 19, 2010 9:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Schools like ECU, USF and West Virginia are academic liabilities. I mean, the old ACC probably thinks they could have done better than BC academically …
No way they would go for an ECU or WVU. The Carolina schools would block inclusion of ECU and so would everyone else in fear of placing even more conference power in the state of North Carolina. I doubt Maryland or Virgina would be happy about WVU joining either.
What about Navy?
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by Brian Favat on Feb 19, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Navy...
I’d be alright with Navy, it would be interesting to watch GT and Navy face each other, Rutgers and Syracuse were mentioned by Andy Staples but they’re not that good, why would it be a problem for WVU joining if they’re in a different state with a different fanbase? I think only Navy or WVU are the schools that could pass academically and still compete for a title even though Navy might be a bit off, plus do you think if Navy was to join they would realign the division so the Coastal didn’t have all the premier teams?
West Virginia is a tier 3 school, well below even FSU and NC State. ACC takes more than their fair share of pride in quality academics. Can’t imagine WVU passes the sniff test when it comes to academics.
Navy has better academics, but there is the issue of ensuring they continue their non-conference matchups with Army, Notre Dame and Air Force.
They should realign the ACC to North and South. No one can keep the two divisions straight anyway.
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by Brian Favat on Feb 19, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Is that the only legit candidate?
Or is there somebody who else who could legitamently qualify geographically, academically, and athletically
Academically, Vanderbilt (rank 17) Tennessee (rank 106), and Kentucky (rank 128) come to mind. That is, if they’d be willing to break away from the SEC. I like to think the idea might be at least appealing when it comes to academics and potential to win. Those three schools really have had no shot in football recently, and they would make ACC hoops that much better.
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by Brian Favat on Feb 19, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Vanderbilt...
I’d like Vandy simply because I could see them actually joining to compete in football, basketballwise they could be in a better conference (usually)…but I dont its all about money so targeting any SEC school seems far-fetched
The Big East made more money from the BCS last year than the SEC, even though the SEC got two teams into the BCS. Something to think about.
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I mean, the SEC makes a ton of money on TV. But I would imagine the potential exposure that will come with a new ACC TV deal could sweeten the deal.
I’m sure Vanderbilt makes a lot of money from the SEC TV deal, but exposure seems to be lacking. You hardly ever saw Vandy games on CBS and most were relegated to CBSCS and other channels. I would imagine the same thing will happen with the ESPN deal. ESPNU and ESPN3 (nee ESPN 360) for a school like Vanderbilt.
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