Five Good Minutes: Florida State Preview With Tomahawk Nation
To preview this weekend's game between the Eagles and Seminoles, we welcome back Bud Elliott of the excellent SB Nation Florida State blog Tomahawk Nation. In exchange, we answered some questions on BC over on their site.
Welcome!
BC Interruption: The last two seasons, when facing BC, a first-year starting QB has taken down the Seminoles. This week, FSU will likely face a third straight first year starter in true freshman Chase Rettig. Are you concerned at all that FSU won't have enough film to prepare to go up against Rettig? Are the 'Noles concerned at all about BC's offense?
Tomahawk Nation: The film angle is an interesting one I had not pondered. Yes, it does concern me that FSU hasn't seen any tape of Rettig. FSU DC Mark Stoops has shown a propensity to take away a team's strength and make the opponent beat FSU with its lesser tools. Against Miami, that was not allowing Jacory Harris to throw moon-balls down the middle. Not having tape on Rettig means FSU will likely start out in base zone coverage and make him prove he can consistently complete the short stuff accurately.
I don't think FSU is concerned with BC's offense. But I am also somewhat concerned that FSU's players won't take BC seriously after watching the tape of this season so far. After the Miami game, FSU's defense has every reason to come in overconfident.
BCI: Florida State has gotten off to a fast 5-1 (3-0) start, but four of those five wins have come against marginal opponents (Samford, BYU, Wake Forest, Virginia). The Noles have one very good win on the road -- that may or may not look better at season's end -- and one beatdown on the road against a very good Oklahoma team. How much do we really know about this team? How much better, in terms of wins and losses, do you think this team is from a season ago?
TN: I think we know a decent bit about this team. We know that Fisher will treat lesser opponents as a scrimmage and work on specific stuff. We know that FSU couldn't get lined up properly against Oklahoma's no-huddle attack, and that OU scored at least 14 points directly from FSU's alignment issues. We also know that FSU has corrected those issues in subsequent games. Lining up in the right position really has little to do with the opponent.
But I also do not think FSU is 28 points better than Miami in the Hurricanes' house on a consistent basis. FSU is a good team with a very good QB, a very good offensive line, and decent skill guys. The defense is loaded with young talent (FSU rotates about 20 guys and that 20 consists of 3 seniors, 5 juniors, 6 sophomores, and 6 freshmen) but is a year away from being one of college football's best. FSU's special teams are tremendous, with arguably the best kicker and kickoff man in the country, speed on the coverage teams, and a return ace in Greg Reid. I'm confident in saying FSU is one of the best 15 or so teams in the country, but I am not yet ready to endorse ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit in saying "FSU is the best team I have seen this year."
I see FSU as four wins better than last season (last year FSU won 7, this year I expect FSU to win 11, though it might take 14 games).
BCI: Last season, the Seminoles defense ranked 100+ nationally in almost every major statistical category. This year the D has been much improved. What adjustments on the defensive side of the ball can you point to that have made the biggest difference in this turnaround? Who's name can we expect to hear called often on defense on Saturday?
TN: Wow, where do I start? First, Jimbo brought in the strength guys who run Alabama and Nebraska. All player meals are monitored and specifically tailored to each player. We profiled it in the off-season, but FSU is now checking in at 1,800 lbs combined for its front-seven, where last year the 'Noles were around 1735 lbs. That added bulk, without sacrificing speed, has allowed the 'Noles to shut down the run without over-involving its safeties. If the safeties can play less run and more coverage, the pass defense also improves.
The coaching is light years better. I love Mickey Andrews and don't want to criticize him after he gutted out his final two years while dealing with a horrible tragedy in his family, but it was obvious some members of his staff didn't want to be in Tallahassee, were washed up, or were family friends of the head coach and had never before coached defense.
Better coaching has given the players much better technique. The new scheme is much more modern and is a mix of the Stoops brothers and the Pelini brothers (Mark is very close with Bo and Carl as they were in the same high school graduating class).
Mark Stoops has to be your runaway winner of the Broyles award this season. No defense (or offense) has improved quite like FSU's defense has. As for a player to watch, I'll go with #5 Greg Reid, one of FSU's stud corners. Greg is probably the most likely to grab a pick-six. On the defensive line, look for #49 Brandon Jenkins to battle Castonzo. Jenkins is the next in the line of great FSU pass rushers.
BCI: Typically, winning cures any sort of attendance problems a program is facing. Yet in three home games, FSU is playing in front of a three-quarters full Doak Campbell Stadium. What's the deal with Florida State's attendance issues? What sort of crowd are you expecting for the game Saturday?
TN: Lots of factors here. FSU doesn't have the tradition of a Florida or Georgia as it has only been playing big football for about 40 years, while the more established programs have been around for 80. FSU is not centrally located and the nearest major city is two hours away. Miami is seven hours away. The economy in Florida is awful. The Oklahoma game hurt and people were gun shy to come back. Young alumni experienced awful football when they went to school in Tally. I'm expecting a good crowd. It is parent's weekend. Let's go with 74,000, which is 90% capacity for this noon kick.
BCI: Are you worried at all about this game? Do you expect any sort of Seminole letdown after smacking around your in-state ACC rivals on the road? In your opinion, what does BC have to do to pull out a W on Saturday?
TN: I'm really not worried about losing the game. I do see FSU coming out a bit flat, and BC's defense is not a defense I want to play when flat. However, I do believe it is as a point where FSU will not lose to BC, even if the 'Noles have a letdown, unless BC also plays the best game it has all year. However, if FSU gets food poisoning, as it did in the Sugar Bowl against UF, I think BC has an excellent shot of keeping the game within a few ... touchdowns.
For BC to win the Eagles will need to really get the run game going, hit a big play off a coverage breakdown, and probably be a minimum of +3 in the turnover game. Right now I give FSU a 90% shot to win this, and if motivation wasn't a factor I'd probably bump it up to "BC wins 1 of 20 in Doak under these conditions."
BCI: Last one. You obviously expect Florida State to win this week -- 90%?! -- so I won't ask for a prediction. Instead, give the wise guys some advice. Do the 'Noles cover the 21-point spread?
TN: It all depends on how much Fisher wants to work on specific plays as opposed to just trying to score, and how much playing time the young guys get. If the freshmen are getting lots of reps, then I see BC covering in a 27-13 score. If Fisher wants to show off for the parents (doubt he cares about this), I could see a 38-10 type score. The wise-guy advice here is to pass on the number. FSU has covered four straight. BC has failed to cover in eight straight. This seems like the perfect time for Vegas to correct both streaks.
BCI: Moral victory? I guess I'll take it.
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that Tomahawk Nation guy is cocky
are you sure you weren’t interviewing Kirk Herbstreit?
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Good luck
on Saturday :)
In Jimbo, We Trust.
This is how Bud started the BC preview on TN:
“This week we are joined by our friends at BC Interruption. I have to admit that I really enjoy doing these question and answer sessions with the other ACC writers as we are a tight-knit group. Brian and Jeff do a tremendous job and are the main reason I have more respect for Boston College now than I did before I started writing (that, and BC has whipped FSU three of the last four years).”
Does that really fit the description you’re trying to paint Bud as?
by SeminoleSkins87 on Oct 14, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He predicted FSU to lose to Oklahoma AND Miami
Bud is not exactly a homer. It’s just one of those years when FSU is up and BC isn’t. The Noles are favored by 22 pts. I don’t know that any Jimbo Fisher team has been favored by 22 pts has lost.
FSU is a good but fragile team right now. The passing game isn’t what it was last year. If someone can shut the run down, we might be vulnerable. Our defense is also young and not very deep. Thankfully we have managed to remain injury free. One or two injuries to guys on the 2-deep could make this defense look a lot different. FSU leads the nation in sacks by a mile, and conventional wisdom would indicate that Rettig will have a difficult time against the Noles D.
Bud spikes his kool aid with arsenic!
And shares it with us every week…lol. Seriously he does a great job of breaking things down and giving us the details about the program. Sometimes that means bringing us back down to earth. We’ve been relatively lucky with injuries and are still worried about losing to a team we should beat as in years past. It does appear that the “process” is working on laying that jinx to rest and by all accounts I wouldn’t expect BC’s offense to get any better this weekend.
Bud tells it like he sees it. He knows his subject, but has a way with words--not--that does him no favours in the cordiality department.
Personally I don’t say the Seminoles have a 90% chance of victory over any ACC foe that isn’t named Duke. This team’s mortality is too much a matter of record. Favoured in this one, yes. But I’d reserve the 90% talk strictly for opponents like Samford.
I expect the Eagles to come to Tallahassee with a lot of motivation and an aggressive attitude. The Eagles already have a running back who has wrecked the Seminoles in past games. They have players on defence who can rise to the occasion if Florida State’s offence doesn’t bring its A game. That can mean turnovers that assist BC.
80% chance of victory for the Seminoles at the very most. That’s still a very high number.
Of course, the world will little note nor long remember what we say here. The game decides. We’ll see how it goes.
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Oct 14, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
With all due respect
I really don’t think he’s cocky. For the first time in a long time, we as Nole fans have a little confidence in our team and our coaches. From what I’ve seen on BC sites, your own posters are very down on your team, much more so than Bud was. He seemed respectful to me.
Sure he did
If FSU is the best team Kirk has seen all year, maybe he didn’t see FSU embarrassing the ACC getting their asses kicked by OU. Man that was brutal.
We need to start scheduling OOC games that our supposed marquee teams have a chance of winning early in the year otherwise we’re never going to shake this reputation the league has earned recently.
Kirk meant in person.
We’re done scheduling early season marquee games like that one (although a couple are still on the books from the previous administration).
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Herbsteit's statement
More than anything, pundits hate being wrong about their preseason picks. Herbstreit picked Miami to win the ACC in the preseason.
His statement is just a rationalization of his preseason pick. Smack your preseason ACC champ in the mouth, make a statement like that to rationalize your selection.
BC Interruption, SBN's Boston College Eagles blog
by Brian Favat on Oct 14, 2010 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly My Man....
But I’ll add that in the preseason everyone had Miami pegged as one of the teams to beat along with VT. Preseason doesn’t always translate to regular season so Herbia is just adjusting on the fly.
Bud is not the homer, I am
I predicted a Miami beat down.

We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
Wow.
Like BC hasn’t embarrassed the conference sending 20 fans to bowl games and taking 9 fans to road games and ACC Championship games. Not to mention, losing to a HORRIBLE ND team two years in a row.
I honestly believe FSU/Miami has done way more to hurt the ACC than any other team
This is because when we have a decent roster of guys over the past few years, we are anointed as being “back” and considered to be an excellent team and then lose to teams we have no business in losing to, and then somehow manage to compete in the ACC. It makes the ACC look bad when the top teams struggle horribly. Clemson like 2 years ago as well when they were a top choice for a NC team.
BC/and VT have done a great job of picking up the slack. Now with FSU’s dedication to winning football games, we will begin to separate ourselves from the rest of the teams like we were supposed to be doing. BC has had some really good teams recently, and have been competitive OOC, and produced NFL talent like BJ Raji, which helped the ACC out in a weak time. Just my 2 cents.
The difference
The difference is BC isn’t expected to be a nationally power annually. Florida State and Miami are.
BC not traveling isn’t as big a blow to the national perception of ACC football as Florida State/Miami not winning games is.
BC Interruption, SBN's Boston College Eagles blog
by Brian Favat on Oct 14, 2010 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Florida State has roughly triple(?) the enrollment of BC, yet the Noles have had their own set of attendance issues. I.e. No listed attendance above 70k for the first three home games.
BC and Virginia Tech have done a decent job holding up ACC football the last 5 years when FSU and Miami have been way down. Without BC and VT propping up the league the last few years, ACC football would have looked weaker than both the Big East and Mountain West. Maybe even to the level of Conference USA.
BC Interruption, SBN's Boston College Eagles blog
by Brian Favat on Oct 14, 2010 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Boston-area colleges and universities – 50?
Tallahassee-area colleges – 2
Just because you live in the area, doesn’t mean you care about BC. 95 percent of the population of the greater Boston area could care less about BC.
The size of the general population around a private school has little bearing on the size of the fan base. Totally different dynamic than large public state schools.
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by Brian Favat on Oct 14, 2010 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree on the schedule
ACC didn’t do themselves any favors this year playing a ton of Top 10 BCS opponents on the road.
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by Brian Favat on Oct 14, 2010 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Next year
OU at FSU
OSU at Miami
Auburn at Clemson
Forgot the others
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Is next year the year we change perceptions
I think, at least, in Tallahassee it is. Probably not at Clemson. Miami’s got a shot (their last shot) if they can right the ship.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
BC at Notre Dame
Virginia Tech vs one of the Big East schools, I think (Pitt, Cincy?)
Then FSU-UF, GT-UGA, CU-Scar, Miami-USF.
BC Interruption, SBN's Boston College Eagles blog
by Brian Favat on Oct 14, 2010 1:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Miami-USF?
Ba ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Might has well of said
Duke – Florida International
Maybe USF can become respectable under Holtz. I know the Noles lost to USF last year, but that was an embarrassment akin to JMU over VT. Miami beating USF will not gain the conference any nat’l recognition or credibility IMO.
I was gonna say … didn’t you guys lose to USF last year? Isn’t the Big 3 now the Big 4?
/holds back laughter
BC Interruption, SBN's Boston College Eagles blog
It's more like the Big 2 and the JV teams
The feeling is that Miami is going to be down for a couple of years, until they make some changes. They had a top recruiting class a couple of years ago and if they were ever going to “be back”, it should have been this year. Jacory threw buckets of INTs last year and has seemed to regress. He is playing awful and Shannon wants to blame it on WR Travis Benjamin. They seemed to have installed a Raider-like offense they call Whipple Ball (power running with bombs away passes). It doesn’t seem to be working.
The Noles have been thumping Miami in recruiting top Fla. HS players. That is continuing this year and will likely only get worse now that we snagged former Tenn. RB coach, Eddie Gran. Gran has been known as a, if not the, top recruiter of So.Fla. talent for years. On the blogs and radio call-in shows, Cane fans think the solution is for Shannon to forget about star ratings and just take local kids who play with heart. On the surface, that doesn’t make much sense because the recruiting services pay a lot of attention to Florida players and are usually pretty good at rating kids from different Fla. schools against each other. Thus, when a Fla. kid is rated a 2*, he probably is a 2*, i.e. a lesser talent than higher rated Fla. players. But when you understand that Shannon has been taking 2* kids from around the country (places like Buffalo, Evanston, IL, a couple from California, etc.) instead of taking local kids who would be able to play in front of their families, you can understand that Cane fans sort of have a point and that Shannon is not doing much to curry favor with the local HS coaches. Shannon does not have the recruiting staff of FSU or UF. Miami had a lot of recruits at the FSU game to try to swing the pendulum back in his favor. However, Cane fans were reporting that the recruits who were invited were routing for the Noles and doing the tomahawk chop. Apparently, Shannon also closed the locker room to keep the recruits out after the big loss, so the ids came over to hang out around the FSU locker room.
Cane fans say that Shannon’s job is secure because their players are making the grades and staying out of jail, which makes their president, Donna Shalala, happy. Then they try to scapegoat the recruiting woes on poor Donna. Unless Donna imposes Notre Dame-like admissions standards, I’m not buying it. There are plenty of high level Fla. recruits who can make the grades and stay out of jail. Shannon’s staff is just not winning the recruiting battles for them. Both UM and USF may get a high quality kid her or there because the kid wants PT, but for the most part they’ll take the scraps UF and FSU are leaving behind.
FSU and UF both have young teams and both are bringing in recruiting classes that are head and shoulders above UM and USF. Fisher has installed a Saban-like development program. I am unsure how UF will fare after losing so many coaches and seeming trying to fit square pegs into a round Tebow-hole. Point is: With their teams playing pretty well despite current youth, spanking UM and USF handily in recruiting, and developing the high level talent coming in, it is clear to see that Miami will no “be back” anytime soon.
I do think USF has upgraded their coaches. But both UM and USF suffer from a lack of resources and lack of an on-campus stadium. It is not the big 4 or even the big 3—and it won’t be for a while.
JMU over VT was a much bigger black eye for the ACC than USF over Florida State. It may have seemed that way to Seminole Nation, but that loss didn’t do nearly the damage to the ACC’s rep as the James Madison loss.
Now if FSU didn’t pull out the W from last year’s game against Jacksonville State, that’s a whole different story …
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USF should try to get a stadium
Agreed on JMU
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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To be honest
I’m a tad worried about BC. I’m hoping FSU doesn’t come out overconfident. Not to mention BC has always seemed to be the “anti-FSU” team.
In Jimbo, We Trust.
He's just confident and realistic
And is a true believer in Jimbo’s process vs. results philosophy. If you would have read his preview of the Miami game, you might have thought he was the ultimate anti-homer. He had me pretty down about the game heading into it. Think he gave us like a 33% chance to win. Now, he was obviously quite wrong which isn’t necessarily a good thing given the confidence he is showing heading into this game. But most of us at TN feel this way: In Bud We Trust!
Here’s to a well played game by both teams and an FSU victory.
"Awww, come on guys, it's so simple. Maybe you need a refresher course."
Thanks BCI
Good questions. Good luck on Saturday. Most important thing has gotta be to keep Rettig protected for the future. Thanks for having us.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Scrimmage Part Deux!
This will be another great game to get EJ and the younger guys out by half-time. Nothing to see here. FSU has been generous in the respect they have given BC this week. With a record like that of BC, count yourself lucky to even get noticed. Stop living in the past and get ready to see what FSU does with you this weekend. It’s embarrassing that we even have to waste a week on you this year. I would much rather play worthy teams to get our ranking higher. You might help us get two or three spots. What a waste. You guys aren’t even trying to play football… Oh well….
dude, no need to be a dick like that
The mods of BCI have ben very courteous and respectful no need to attack the entire fanbase and team.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
No need for that.
Just because I banned you from TN doesn’t mean you should take your act here. This is a great site and BC is not a Wake-level team.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Jerk
I’m guessing you missed the memo about being classy. BC folks please excuse this poster because they certainly don’t reflect the TN Peoples as a whole.
Ahh, just like the Big East days
Sometimes I miss the UConn/WVU/Rutgers-level dissing like this. But even while we’re a mess this season, there’s enough talent on our team to surprise this week, so don’t bet the double-wide on the game, enloe314
Who is this ahole?
Sorry BC fans. Don’t hold him against us. Bud does the best he can to control these idiots, but he can’t ban them from everywhere.
"Awww, come on guys, it's so simple. Maybe you need a refresher course."
Good Q & A from both sides
I’d add that while Reid is the obvious playmaker in the secondary, all our CBs are talented this year. Watch for Mike Harris in addition to Reid. He’s not loud like Reid, but he can hit and always contributes.
Brian and Jeff, thanks for playing along with TN, you guys are doing a fine job. Good luck on Sat and may both teams come out of it injury free.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I am loving the mildy angry banter
The Eagles need to start playing with the passion that is behind all the comments here. And little smack talk never hurt anybody. I am just curious is enloe the FSU fan who was sitting in the far luxury box near the section X and W end zone at Alumni Stadium last year who was giving BC fans the finger after Montel’s 60 plus yard run to the pylon? Haha, I love this game. It has been such a treat and I will never forget the anticipation of the 2005 ACC opener at Alumni Stadium. I remember having FSU fans offer $1500 for our 5 tickets. Plus as seems to happy every year, I put on the local country station and I hear John Anderson “Seminole Wind” the day before the game. If that doesn’t get you fired up for this game, nothing will. Bud you do a tremendous job with your blog, and I enjoy your passion for ACC football. Now if we could just get rid of that awful, cheeseball ACC pregame show and just let Mike Hogewood do the show as he has admirably we would be all set.

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